Trees

[Dumplins]

So If I get more natural energy I would live longer??? I'm not looking for immortality I would kill my self If I had immortality lol

[Rippy]

Though I'm a vegetarian, I'm not going to argue with Leethal or completely read most of his statements considering that I've already heard them and I'm in a horrid mood and likely to be banned if I comment on them while speaking from how I feel at the moment.

Yes, I believe that trees have a consciousness. A collective consciousness, that is, with slight personal variances, much like my opinion and experience with animals-- though a tree's individuality is ..to a lesser extent. That's not to say they're less evolved or "lower" than animals-- on the contrary-- it makes them more mature and respectable as a whole, gathering knowledge without being sidetracked by intense, irrational emotions. Have I spoken to trees? Yes, but not much. I've also spoken telepathically (though each feels much different than the other..) to rocks/gemstones, smaller plants, the collective elemental energies, and animals of several species. Everything around you has something to teach, if you bother to listen.

[Dumplins]

that cool rippy its like they have a brain well if you think about it they do ;D

[Rippy]

More like a soul/spirit/intelligent energy force. xD; But sure, like a brain.

[nuukaprotector]

Eh, science has proven that plants can recognize other plants of their same specie and share their area with them (thus growing more productively rather than with another specie around). What's my point? If they can recognize other plants, they have a sort of consciousness, in my opinion.

~Jonn

[Dumplins]

rippy said:

More like a soul/spirit/intelligent energy force. xD; But sure, like a brain.

can a tree soul or spirt come out the tree if did will it die or can it go back in side of it

[Rippy]

Well, here's a theory for you. It's what I've been told by the trees, but you shouldn't believe everything you read. Go ask them yourself if you really want to know. ;P

Think of the Collective Tree Consciousness as one huge, invisible tree composed of flowing energy. Every individual tree makes up a piece of a the of the giant tree. Instead of sustaining its life by water and sunlight, it gathers energy from the Earth, decaying and otherwise. It then recycles this energy to produce more energy, creating a constant cycle.
Each tree's spirit is connected to the Collective Tree's huge spirit. When one tree is, say, chopped down, it doesn't really even make a minor impact onto the Whole Tree, and therefore doesn't make an impact on the individual tree's emotions, which do not disappear after the tree is cut. It still remains a piece of the Whole. The trees use their physical bodies to improve the Earth, but they are not attached to them in the same sense as how a human is. Each tree knows what the next tree know, and their interpretations vary only slightly in most cases. They can access any information that the Collective knows. They are, however, to be respected. You must remember that this means every tree spirit knows what you've done to disrespect another tree spirit, and while the ones I've met aren't big on revenge, they also aren't keen of assisting those who harm their brothers and sisters.
This doesn't mean that you can't trim a tree, lol. Just that you should ask it before hand, and thank it afterwards in the form of gentle energy or a physical gift at its base.
So.. yes, they can leave their physical form in the sense that they hardly occupy it in the long run. (Considering their perception of time is much different from ours.. a year may feel like a minute to them. Or a second. =P) But they don't have a need to. Trees just "be", and they "know" and they accept their knowing and don't confront others unless confronted first. They don't hold grudges and they don't feel intense emotion. (Or, at least, if they do, they haven't told me about it.) And there's a million other things that they don't do, and a billion more they do.

[Dumplins]

Thats Very cool

[daevl]

leethal said:

Everytime i see a tree (not the ones that my father always rubs in my face) i think how great it is. It is the perfect socializer. It doesn't feed off of anyone, and it provides life to the others.

I only read to the second post because I can see this thread raising my blood pressure quite largely, but if it weren't for animals trees wouldn't be alive. That includes us.

[Fearn]

It is very well possible that you can speak to trees, I haven't talked to a tree before but I like to talk to my plants telepathically, and I feel that that is a major reason why we have such a nice garden (it may have something to do with the fact that we barely freeze here, and I use lots of fertilizer...lol

One thing though is that the big old trees are probably quite tricky to talk to. I have trouble talking to my 60 year old Bonzai tree because it just views time so slow. You have to take a moment to adjust to the trees time to talk to it. Then you have to be careful about how long you stay and talk, because sometimes I fall into a 'trance' that takes me a while to get out of because of the difference in time perceptions.

[leethal]

Well if we didn't exist, there would still be enough animals for trees to live.

Trees don't "consume" other animals. They only consume the byproducts of other animal's lives. (except carnivore plants ). What i'm saying is that if all vegetable life disappeared, we'd die quickly. If all animal life disappeared, plants would live for a while. Of course, they'd eventually die ( no nitrogen ). But they consume much less and do much more for every other animal. I'm sorry if i upset everyone. I might have been a bit ticked that day. I apologize. Those are my points of view.

[Rippy]

You didn't offend me, at least, Leethal. ^^;
And since I'm in a better mood I'll explain my point of view, and why I'm a vegetarian; even though we still consume conscious beings.

I explained in a previous post my opinion on tree consciousness. However, this is not plant-life consciousness, my belief supports that trees and smaller plants exist on very different terms of consciousness. Small plants are a bit more individualized (though in a more complicated/connected way than we humans are; its much easier to feel than to explain... ^^; ). Meaning that, while they feel no physical pain, they do have.. a certain.. attachment to their physical forms. Not so much that they "disappear" or "die" or are "traumatized" with the loss of their physical bodies, but enough so that they don't enjoy it when it happens, or for some time afterward.

However, animals are [you]very[/you] connected emotionally to their physical bodies. Animals do feel pain-- with both a physical and emotional severity that surpasses any amount of plant sensation. They are much more connected to their individual species' whole-consciousness than humans are; yet they still retain an extreme amount of individuality in comparison to plants/minerals/bacteria. This weakens them, (emotionally, physically... and energy-wise..). And hence, I have sympathy for them and respect their level of individuality by not consuming them. What's so wrong with that? Because I feel the amount of consciousness levels within certain beings, I will continue to adjust myself to their personal needs and variances; dependent upon their sensations of pain and physical connection-- trying to understand them on deeper levels than most omnivores bother to-- leaving us both more connected and respectful of one another. Hence; while your reasoning has some truth, I still decline its "Plants can feel too!!" basics. ;P

And for those of you who are curious, this is basically how I consider individual vs. group consciousness to be, highest amount of group-conciousness to lowest amount.

Bacteria > Earth Components (rocks, minerals, gems) > Trees > Smaller Plants > Aquatic Animals > Other Animals > Humans

Of course, plenty of things are left off. But that would basically be how I would place them.

[meep]

This reminds me of the BFG, how he can hear flowers screaming if someone cuts them off (or something like that).

shame on you if you havent read it!!!! :OO
Lol.

[leethal]

Very well. I respect your vegetarianism. That kind of vegetarianism has been added to my "allow" list . Now it's that and people who just like vegetables better.

[Dumplins]

I know that now must thanks I want to talk to a tree but how do I receive its message its telepathic message??