An Idea to help the psionic comunity.

[spilledchemicals]

The solution to the failings of direct democracy is instantaneous polling making. We could send an alert to everyone when a new decision is being made, that they have one week to look at the article and throw in their thoughts. Two days before the real poll, the supporters of the different sides will put in the option they want to have in the poll, called the preliminary poll. If it has enough supporters, comparative to the amount who talked about the poll, it will be an option. At the end of the week we have the real poll between those with enough support to pass the preliminary poll.

So the timetable.
Day 1: A new poll is posted, everyone alerted.
Day 2-4: Discussion.
Day 5: Preliminary poll.
Day 6: More discussion.
Day 7: Everyone alerted again. Poll is taken.


At the end of the day, the votes are tallied, and a simple majority wins. Everyone is alerted of the outcome.

If one or less options have enough votes backing them to become a choice in the real poll, then the poll starts over. Everyone is alerted of the outcome. If there was no options passed, then the poll question must be submitted again. If only one had the votes needed to pass, polling begins again, but the preliminary happens on the third day. If the same one stands unopposed again, then it passes automatically.

So the shortened version would be.

Day 1: Everyone is alerted.
Day 2: Discussion.
Day 3: Preliminary poll.

If the same option which was unopposed in the last poll has no competition at all again, it is automatically passed.
If there is competition.

Day 4: Discussion.
Day 5: Poll.

So polls will always take either 7, 10, or 12 days.

We would need a separate messaging system for this.

[meep]

spilledchemicals said:

Thank you Mrnoname, that will help. Hmm... if there is a gang mentality, then that means the leaders won't want to give up the power they have over their followers. And your comments have been noted MBSD, [you]We[/you] could offer to let the site leaders have the ability to have a sub-board for their site, for their big ones to post what they think about the rest of the site and the people on it. The leaders have a personal place to rant, giving them the power to influence their people, and since no one else will go there, no one would be offended.

I'll always have to hammer into my articles from now on that my way is just a possibility, and there are many other, and potentially better, ways. I don't want to have people reading my articles and thinking its the only truth, because it's not. I would never want closed mindedness to be created because of me.

Who is 'we'?

[spilledchemicals]

"We" as in the group of people trying to bring the sites together. It would be used in the sense that those who support the idea of Psions United are in a chat with people [you]we[/you] want to join with us. they don't want to join, and [you]we[/you] say, well, perhaps [you]we[/you] can let your site have a bit more say. Thanks for asking, I don't want anyone confused. I really wanted "we" to mean all psions, but I can't use it like that until we unite.

[red29216]

I don't think it is as simple as you described it. One simple case would be in actually designing and updating the site - who will have the power to do that? If everyone does, the site will be constantly changing, an article you like could be deleted 10 seconds after you read it, etc.

Also, to have complete direct democracy, everyone would have to have a say about everything. There are far too many issues though. If a simple matter like wether or not an article should be added comes up, I don't think it should take a week to decide on that via a pole.

[spilledchemicals]

For smaller things like posting a new article, we could have a system which requires a certain amount of people backing the post of an article, with that criteria met, the article would go up. To have something taken down, the persons who put it up would be the only ones with the power to take it down. Personal rights of posting might be a way to protect things from being deleted instantly. Personal rights as in no one will be able to alter your posts other than yourself.

That would fix both problems, yes? If you see any others, please point them out to me.

[red29216]

Well, just with that example, I see a flaw. What if a group of people with similar interests had one person post an article that favored their view of psi or magick or whatever in particular? Then if they are all on at the same time, they can pass it and it can never be removed except by the one who posted it.

That doesn't sound very fair to me. = /

[spilledchemicals]

That sounds very fair to me. There will be so many opinions out there, so many sects pushing their own agenda, that even the casual reader will see that the truth can be seen from multiple viewpoints. Articles will always have a natural bias, and to try to remove that would be foolhardy. Have you ever tried to telekinesis something through a holistic method, which doesn't favor any system at all? The systems these different views produce allows one to focus the mind on one single point.

[red29216]

It doesn't really sound fair, more like beating the system... Regardless, yes there are many definitions of these things, but I think it would be extremely helpful if a group of experienced psions joined to gether to define these things and set a standard. That doesn't mean the methods have to be standerdized, just the definitions of what the methods are trying to achieve.

Scientists use standards and definitions for a reason - because then when one person says the word "magic" there is an exact definition that everyone is aware of. With the definitions out there now though, there are many very different definitions. A bit confusing I think.

[tassadar]

I've just find this topic and to make some things clear:

(about Apollo) but Tassadar doesn't like him

Ykhym, say what? Hey, we like each other, don't we, Apollo?

a bit of a cruel experiment

Oh don't remind me, I will feel this shame forever

[psidan]

Just remembered there's one last post I'd like to make here.

No. Just no. This is just the same as trying to create world peace although maybe even harder. It will not work unless you replace all of the leaders with handpicked members which go along with your means. If there ever was to be a basic understanding in 'psionic' communities then it would be to at least leave each other to their own means, or if possible share ideas. If by 'psionic' community you mean the Energy Community in general, you should at least refer to it as such and not limit the understanding to psionics. Despite the misuse of names seeming trivial it can piss some people off and make them think those who say it are extremely narrow minded and of low intelligence.

If you still wish to go along with this plan I suggest you somehow get someone in their who can slowly become neutral with the ones the PsiWorld community is... disliked by. This in itself may provide difficult but at least do that before starting any 'diplomatic relations', coming from the community here at psiworld. As for the other communities. They usually have communities which they respect, are neutral with, have a dislike but will leave them alone, hate and want them to fail, and just loath. Yes there are such strong feelings between some communities.

If your planning on uniting only the psionic sites that is fairly easy in itself assuming you can all follow the same guidelines. This will be a problem because others who viewed some communities having their strong points, they may not think so, and it will not be so because the other communities may disagree.

Doing what you intend is almost impossible unless you have a set of rules. Otherwise at the best, communities with differences may dislike you but at least leave you alone. If this is what you mean by helping the 'psionic' community then that is good. It probably will until some community breaks and cannot tolerate what they view as their hated communities stupidity. If you do enforce rules those under them will tend to hate those enforcing them and rebel. Even if those in power are strong enough Metaphysically, and good enough to stop threats carried out over the internet, it still won't be a helpful community.

The best thing you can do is just help others get where they need to go for their purposes and show them, the best you know how, how they can learn for themselves. If other communities give you suggestions or other viewpoints try and implement them the best you can. If you totally disagree with what they say, they could be wrong, but despite what you may think, sometimes they may be right.

So the best thing that will help the 'psionic' community is for everyone to accept justifiable criticism, and correct their errors, if proven to them.

[GEOvanne]

this is kinda similar to what i was planning on doing.... except, i was planning on building up this site, then eventually have it sorta 'merge' with others.
I actually dont like the idea of all these smaller sites talking about virtually the same thing.
Its pretty hard a first to figure out which site to join when they all talk about the same thing.

I was think more along the lines of neopets-myspace kinda thing.
So instead of having just a bunch of articles and a forum, it should be more like a community-thing.

And as for ruler-ship, there would be different but just as important positions, such as coders, teachers, and people to watch over different parts of the site.

About the different views, there would be the ability to start groups (like on myspace). there will still be a forum.
Articles and topics that some members dont agree with would be remedied by having them create their own articles on stuff they can do and get it added to the Library (where you go to find articles), or just tell them to ignore the stuff they dont like, as this is a problem i come across on almost every sites iv seen. You cant please everyone, and there will be much to choose from.

Along with the opinion of all the members, there also has to be some form of 'governing body' (for lack of a better word), but they would just be to maintain order and would have to work closely with the members.
As for rules, at first there will be just a few basic stuff, then as more people join they can give their opinion on a rule they dont agree with, then the polls along with other methods would be good to work it out.


but the main point of the site would be to reduce the overwhelming choice of the ever expanding psi-sites for new psions.

i want to add more, but i just cant seem to focus right now

[ludacruz]

Ehm, I might sound like a idiot saying this, but I think it's fine the way it is now. I think it's good that the different sites focus on different aspects of PSI. But hey, I'm relatively new to this stuff, so you guys probably see things from a different view since I haven't got that much experience.

[seraph]

i really wanna see this idea happen. Spilled, if there is anything i can do from my PSP let me know. i would like to help if possible. actually i think i can advertise your idea on psi sites and convince people to join (i know a few powerful psi leaders). just let me know if you want my help.

i cant go to UPC. anyone know anything about that? and how i can get there?

[JediKaren]

UPC has fallen due to no one wanting to pay the bills anymore.

Chemical: You are welcomed to try this, but I'm not. I know this has not worked in the past, but maybe you are different and can pull it off. In the meantime, psiworld is staying the way it is until I see a huge reason to change it.

[Dumplins]

I really do like this Idea ;D,but I wish it would only work but its to many skeptics about every topic.Where theirs a topic theirs a skeptic.I agree with Anuboern if it was to work because I know when it comes to humans its hard to give up your grudge to help others out,but any ways if it was to work we would need to pick other people like Anuboern was saying and it would probably take months for this to even work because of the fact of other big sites/forums,you just can't put people together that don't like each other just like putting two male dogs in the same cage.

p.s. but if you want help I will help I am a helping guy