Aero, pyro, hydro ?'s

[palimpsest]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I just want to clarify... that the argument against these terms is, all types are the same, and it's one skill worth learning... not like in X-Men where Iceman would never dream of stepping into Pyro's expertise, or Aang the Avatar who needs to learn water-manipulation separately from earth-manipulation. Instead, if you have the mind to move air then you already have the ability to move fire, instead of having achieved air manipulation and then having to learn fire manipulation from the very start all over again. So, it would be deemed silly to say "I can do geokinesis but not hydrokinesis" because it betrays a mental block, and vocabulary that subscribes to the limits and "boxes" people get put into in popular fictional media?

[The Adfeng]

Really, whenever you say something like "Aerokinesis" I think it's just basically being more specific, relating to a certain thing, instead of the broad area of telekinesis. That's probably where it came from.

[Fearn]

palimpsest said:

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I just want to clarify... that the argument against these terms is, all types are the same, and it's one skill worth learning... not like in X-Men where Iceman would never dream of stepping into Pyro's expertise, or Aang the Avatar who needs to learn water-manipulation separately from earth-manipulation. Instead, if you have the mind to move air then you already have the ability to move fire, instead of having achieved air manipulation and then having to learn fire manipulation from the very start all over again. So, it would be deemed silly to say "I can do geokinesis but not hydrokinesis" because it betrays a mental block, and vocabulary that subscribes to the limits and "boxes" people get put into in popular fictional media?

That's what I think. Geokinesis is moving rocks and dirt around and hydrokinesis is moving water around. They are just two different states of matter, being moved with PK. There's no need to make up another term for it.

Honestly I don't find a problem in these terms when they are used the way MBSD suggests. It's when people begin to treat them as separate skills, not abbreviations, that I start to have problems.

In response to the popular argument: "who wants to say I did PK on a rock when I can just say I did geokinesis." If you say you did Geokinesis, you will have to specify what you moved with geokinesis. A rock, a pebble, a boulder? It's not really an abbreviation. I like to rant about fluff...

[JediKaren]

Yes it rather silly to say you can do one, but not another. It is a mental block that you set up at that point because when you say you can't do something, well then you are setting in your mind failure. A favor quote of mine to explain this is "Do or do not, there is no try" which is saying if you are only going to "try" you expect yourself to fail. Aka no high hopes of doing it. As stupid as it might sound, you have to convince yourself you CAN do this.

[GEOvanne]

i like how GEO is being mentioned here alot

so like another website did to show that they are all the same but makes it easyer to say what you did is to use the first term then add 'PK' to the end.

so pyrokinesis become pyroPK, electrokinesis become electroPK and so on and so on.
that way, you can be more specific on waht you did but still dont sound fluff

geoPK

[zbuksi]

Hi everybody. I just wanted to tell my opinion about this. There is 4 basic elements; water, fire, air, and earth. With TK you move them as whole, with specific PK (aero, geo...) you manipulate specific structure of the element. For example: with TK you can move rock, with geokinesis you make the rock to move. Well, the point is that you can manipulate structure of element and shape it by your desire; e.g. turn ston to dust, coal in the diamond... With hydrokinesis make water to take shape you want, to move it in direction you want, or turn it into ice.... Telekinesis is ability to move things so it's obvious you can move water, earh or whatever you want. With a bit of imagination you can do tremendous things, but it is not same as manipulating structure of something.

quote''Please correct me if I'm wrong, I just want to clarify... that the argument against these terms is, all types are the same, and it's one skill worth learning... not like in X-Men where Iceman would never dream of stepping into Pyro's expertise, or Aang the Avatar who needs to learn water-manipulation separately from earth-manipulation. Instead, if you have the mind to move air then you already have the ability to move fire, instead of having achieved air manipulation and then having to learn fire manipulation from the very start all over again. So, it would be deemed silly to say "I can do geokinesis but not hydrokinesis" because it betrays a mental block, and vocabulary that subscribes to the limits and "boxes" people get put into in popular fictional media?''

- there is no boxes, there is only time you need to advance further in something you like. It is not easy to manipulate anything so people like to stuck on one element since all elements and their properties are different. If you want to master something you have to learn all there is to it, and for that you need time and practice. A LOT of them.

- And as for all other abilityes they are all under one of these four elements, ''magnetokinesis'' (fluffffff!!!!!!) would be under geokinesis, since it is manipulating structure or properties of elements that came from earh (metals!). Do you see what i'm trying to say?

-I hope I didn't tell anything to insult somebody. If I did, I'm very sorry.

[Fearn]

zbuksi said:

There is 4 basic elements; water, fire, air, and earth.

Sorry, nope. There are sixty-some basic elements.

zbuksi said:

With TK you move them as whole, with specific PK (aero, geo...) you manipulate specific structure of the element. For example: with TK you can move rock, with geokinesis you make the rock to move. Well, the point is that you can manipulate structure of element and shape it by your desire; e.g. turn ston to dust, coal in the diamond... With hydrokinesis make water to take shape you want, to move it in direction you want, or turn it into ice.... Telekinesis is ability to move things so it's obvious you can move water, earh or whatever you want. With a bit of imagination you can do tremendous things, but it is not same as manipulating structure of something.

All of the things you have suggested are PK. Psychokinesis is the manipulation of matter, with your mind. Any manipulation, of any matter.

[palimpsest]

It is not easy to manipulate anything so people like to stuck on one element since all elements and their properties are different.

Any manipulation, of any matter.

So it's either the mind is doing all the work, so there is only one force (psychokinesis) for all matter, or
the classical elements are real (at least the concept of four elements: solid matter, liquid matter, gaseous matter, and energy, maybe?) and their different qualities should make for changes of pk techniques like what's going on in your mind?

[zbuksi]

- Yes you CAN manipulate anything with PK, as I wrote up there. I only stated that telekinesis and psychokinesis as mentioned (aero, hydro..) is two different things, and that people like to stuck to one of the 4 elements (that was referring to elements mentioned by old nations; fire, water, earth and air); the difference between them is high and it is much easier to focus only on one.

- I also wrote that there is no ''boxes'' or blocks for real, it is all in your mind. You can master anything with time, and THAT is problem! You need to practice for a long time to do something decent, and you physically cannot master everything with limited life span.

-As palimpsest wrote, those 4 elements are highly different (their concept, structure...) so if you do a little of everything you will do well but some people tend to mix principles and that makes advancing harder.

-And yes, everything mentioned was PK. It is mentioned few times in text.