The Other Energies Thread

[JediKaren]

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[Fearn]

So What’s Up With Psi Chi and Ki?

Essentially yes they are the same, but then again they do have large differences. They are all energy of course. The energy is just accessed in a different way, and each one has a distinct feeling.

Qi/Ki/Chi
Qi/Ki is Japanese, and Chi is Chinese. Ki, and Qi are essentially pronounced the same and Chi is pronounced like Chee but with the tongue in a slightly different place.

Chi and Ki seem to both be more physical than Psi, but more spiritual as well. They are both associated with Martial Arts, Feng Shui, and many Chinese philosophies. This is the definition of Ki from www.bodymindandmodem.com/KiEx/KiEx.html:

There is a lot of discussion about ki, as though it is some kind of mysterious force. But actually, everyone has experienced ki in their life. And we can all learn to increase our ki power.
Ki can be thought of as positive thinking, belief in yourself, faith, confidence, or a state of mind/body unification. You have used ki quite naturally many times in your life, at those moments when something totally captured your interest and imagination. It may have been while you were playing a sport, working late into the morning on a project that was important to you, playing with your child, or simply spending time with someone you love.

Ki involves trying to get into an altered state of mind, to do your work. This doesn’t mean drugs, just a meditative state.

Psi
Psi is another form of energy, that is accessed in yet another different way. We all know this, quite secular, form of energy work to be the one where you create shields and complex constructs, beyond that of ki where you just take energy and say ‘’turn over that cup.‘’ Psi is also much more mental, teaching Telepathy and Empathy, not something your average ki practitioner works with. Many psions look at psi as something scientific, whereas ki is very spiritual to the point of just welcoming the Fluff in. www1.freewebs.com/psionicdojo/researchanddevelopment.htm has this to say about the nature of psi:

Some argue that psi is the byproduct of the fuctioning of the nervous system, and that it has electromagnetic properties. Others disagree with that saying that psi is a process of the soul. We here at the Psionic Dojo are remaining impartial to these until we conduct our own original research studies and come up with a conclusion. Still though, we are leaning towards the idea that psi has some electromagnetic properties.

What is the nature of energy? Does it not like to be manipulated? This, is why I think that there are so many different forms of energy work. Every culture has its own way of manipulation.

Bibliography:
www1.freewebs.com/psionicdojo/researchanddevelopment.htm
www.bodymindandmodem.com/KiEx/KiEx.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi
www.psipog.net

[Cronus]

That was clear, thank you, but I never knew that Chi and Ki were spiritual? But then again I have never really researche Chi/ Ki. Thank you.

[Fearn]

flamingwind said:

That was clear, thank you, but I never knew that Chi and Ki were spiritual? But then again I have never really researche Chi/ Ki. Thank you.

Well the person I thought I knew that practised Chi was really just a crazy person evidently. Did you look at my bibliography? I will try to find more sources as time goes on.

*pokes* mrdarkness this thread is being used thank you very much. It does amaze me though that no one thought to post those questions on here (or that magic guy...) lol.

PS I had it looking really nice, but for some reason all my links were messed up and so when I fixed the, it came out funny...but still readable.

[vocaltalentz]

iluveire said:

So What’s Up With Psi Chi and Ki?

Essentially yes they are the same, but then again they do have large differences. They are all energy of course. The energy is just accessed in a different way, and each one has a distinct feeling.

Qi/Ki/Chi
Qi/Ki is Japanese, and Chi is Chinese. Ki, and Qi are essentially pronounced the same and Chi is pronounced like Chee but with the tongue in a slightly different place.

Chi and Ki seem to both be more physical than Psi, but more spiritual as well. They are both associated with Martial Arts, Feng Shui, and many Chinese philosophies. This is the definition of Ki from www.bodymindandmodem.com/KiEx/KiEx.html:

There is a lot of discussion about ki, as though it is some kind of mysterious force. But actually, everyone has experienced ki in their life. And we can all learn to increase our ki power.
Ki can be thought of as positive thinking, belief in yourself, faith, confidence, or a state of mind/body unification. You have used ki quite naturally many times in your life, at those moments when something totally captured your interest and imagination. It may have been while you were playing a sport, working late into the morning on a project that was important to you, playing with your child, or simply spending time with someone you love.

Ki involves trying to get into an altered state of mind, to do your work. This doesn’t mean drugs, just a meditative state.

Psi
Psi is another form of energy, that is accessed in yet another different way. We all know this, quite secular, form of energy work to be the one where you create shields and complex constructs, beyond that of ki where you just take energy and say ‘’turn over that cup.‘’ Psi is also much more mental, teaching Telepathy and Empathy, not something your average ki practitioner works with. Many psions look at psi as something scientific, whereas ki is very spiritual to the point of just welcoming the Fluff in. www1.freewebs.com/psionicdojo/researchanddevelopment.htm has this to say about the nature of psi:

Some argue that psi is the byproduct of the fuctioning of the nervous system, and that it has electromagnetic properties. Others disagree with that saying that psi is a process of the soul. We here at the Psionic Dojo are remaining impartial to these until we conduct our own original research studies and come up with a conclusion. Still though, we are leaning towards the idea that psi has some electromagnetic properties.

What is the nature of energy? Does it not like to be manipulated? This, is why I think that there are so many different forms of energy work. Every culture has its own way of manipulation.

Bibliography:
www1.freewebs.com/psionicdojo/researchanddevelopment.htm
www.bodymindandmodem.com/KiEx/KiEx.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi
www.psipog.net

no offense but there's not even a "qi" in the japanese alphabet. please make sure your information is accurate before sharing it. are you sure it isn't...chi/ki is japanese and qi is chinese?

sorry for my off trackness. but i did read over some of this stuff, i prefer psi energy =D

[JediKaren]

actually the proper word would be qi gon

[legatosama312]

vocaltalentz said:

no offense but there's not even a "qi" in the japanese alphabet. please make sure your information is accurate before sharing it. are you sure it isn't...chi/ki is japanese and qi is chinese?

sorry for my off trackness. but i did read over some of this stuff, i prefer psi energy =D

I thought that qi- gong was a form of martial-arts/ meditation in china like tai-chi? And isn't chi also from china and not really disscussed in japan?

[red29216]

Personally, I think they are all the same energy under different names.
And the only reasons they have different names is because of the different languages they were found under.

Japanese observed energy.. they call it Ki.
Chinese observed energy.. they call it Chi.
New Age people observed it.. they call it Psi.

People say that they are different energies because they feel the same. Really I just think that it is the same energy under different conditions.

[Mr.Experiment]

I think theres a difference and similarity between them all.

Psi bieng a Mental Energy

Chi/Qi/Ki [Just Different Ways of saying them] - Physical Energy

Then there is Spirtual energy

Those are 3 main human branches. [Not the most Major energies, but overall in Humans there basiclly the 3 Main Branches.

~Jano

[Fearn]

The qi is just another way of trying to express the sounds made into the Latin alphabet. They all make the same sound (kh-ee). The different spellings apply to different languages, however they've all leaked into English.

[mike]

kagexcore said:

I think theres a difference and similarity between them all.

Psi bieng a Mental Energy

Chi/Qi/Ki [Just Different Ways of saying them] - Physical Energy

Then there is Spirtual energy

Those are 3 main human branches. [Not the most Major energies, but overall in Humans there basiclly the 3 Main Branches.

~Jano

I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of Ki being a physical energy. There are many different interpretations of what Ki is. Those opinions are as varied as the opinions on psi. You have people that practice it daily for many different reasons. They you have skeptics that do nothing but ridicule it. Or you have people who do not understand Ki attempting to place it in a limited category such as described in one of the above quotes "Ki involves trying to get in an altered state of mind to do your work. This does not mean drugs, just a meditative state."
This small aspect of Ki mentioned in the quote is true but there is much more to it than what the quote indicates. You do not have to be in a meditative state to use it. I would suggest that anyone that does should probably practice more. It is more of a matter of concentration and practice than anything.
It has been my experience that Ki is one of the most misunderstood aspects of martial arts training out there. The real adepts are not taken seriously and called frauds. Unfortunately there are many frauds out there that give the non believers even more ammunition to say that Ki is basically crap. I have noticed this is a problem for psi also.
In my humble opinion, and after over thirty years of study in this area, I believe that Ki/Chi/Qi (whatever you call it) is very similar to what I have learned about psi. I do not claim to be an expert on psi. One of my close friends is and she recommended me to come to this web site to research it further.
After learning how to develop control over Ki, you can perform many of the same tasks that are mentioned on this web site. Ki can allow someone to alter someone else's physical well being remotely in a positive or negative manner. Practitioners have taken Ki (energy) from others to make them sick, pass out, etc. Practitioners have also been able to positively affect someone else's energy to help them. Ki can allow you to read and influence someone else's intentions. There are even uses where you can protect yourself against someone else manipulating your Ki. (Sounds like what this site refers to as a shield.)
Mr. X refered to Ki as a physical energy. It is NOT a physical energy. It can manifest itself in a physical manner. Many aspects of Ki are almost identical to what I am reading on this web site about psi.
Please do not take this as me starting an agument. I am not. I am simply stating another opinion.

[psidan]

actually the proper word would be qi gon

The first thing we want to do is try and get in touch with our energy. In Chinese, the word for energy is "qi" (pronounced "chee"). Sometimes, it is translated as breath; and it is very true that breath controls subtle energy flow in the body. Henceforth, when talking about energy I will simply use the term "qi" to refer to it. Additionally, in Chinese, "gong" means "work", so therefore "qigong" translates to "breath work" or "energy work".

A more elaborate description for those who don't know what it means. I've found forums.vsociety.net/index.php?topic=10188.0 that article, from which I got the quote, to be a good introductory to Qi.

[Dumplins]

I read that article and I really like it I'm going to try it out

[Fearn]

So, does anyone actively use these other energies? I've been doing some Chi, but it doesn't interest me as much a psi does.

[psidan]

Yes. I have started on a course given on those articles. So for awhile I will be meditating. Should be good for me.

~Anuboern