brandonslau
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Post by brandonslau on Sept 18, 2007 17:39:36 GMT -5
never heard of that
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Post by Fearn on Sept 18, 2007 22:35:49 GMT -5
Did you read what I said? Did you take any of it in? Current computers CAN make decisions, the name 'Artificial Intelligence' suggests that these computers ARE intelligent. Computers give an action based on an input, if there is more than one possible action isn't that a decision? If it isn't I would love to know what a decision is. OK, OK, You win, I apologize...My fault. I haven't heard of this but, you sound like you know quite a bit about computers, and I do not. I withdraw my post. |
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Post by meep on Sept 19, 2007 4:57:26 GMT -5
Did you read what I said? Did you take any of it in? Current computers CAN make decisions, the name 'Artificial Intelligence' suggests that these computers ARE intelligent. Computers give an action based on an input, if there is more than one possible action isn't that a decision? If it isn't I would love to know what a decision is. OK, OK, You win, I apologize...My fault. I haven't heard of this but, you sound like you know quite a bit about computers, and I do not. I withdraw my post. The thing is yes, computers can make their own decisions, but they are very limited. For example, (I'm just imagining this, correct me if I am wrong)- a computer could make the decision to do, or not do something, lets say, a computer could make the decision to reject a program that it thinks is a virus. But, it probably couldn't make a decision that links to humans and our thoughts and feelings. EG, if a person was in much pain, could the computer decide if the person lives a painful life, or dies peacefully? So I think we are both right- YES- computers can make decisions etc, but they may not be able to make certain decisions that are emotional to us. Am I right or left?  (I hope I made sense) |
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Post by Ayrrus on Sept 19, 2007 10:28:36 GMT -5
Scary (not really scary scary..just different)...but I see exactly where everyone is coming from
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brandonslau
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Post by brandonslau on Sept 19, 2007 14:34:35 GMT -5
OK, OK, You win, I apologize...My fault. I haven't heard of this but, you sound like you know quite a bit about computers, and I do not. I withdraw my post. The thing is yes, computers can make their own decisions, but they are very limited. For example, (I'm just imagining this, correct me if I am wrong)- a computer could make the decision to do, or not do something, lets say, a computer could make the decision to reject a program that it thinks is a virus. But, it probably couldn't make a decision that links to humans and our thoughts and feelings. EG, if a person was in much pain, could the computer decide if the person lives a painful life, or dies peacefully? So I think we are both right- YES- computers can make decisions etc, but they may not be able to make certain decisions that are emotional to us. Am I right or left? (I hope I made sense) yeah but thats not entirely true computers make their own descisions influenced by us.we have to set it to do something first then it is just like us asking the computer to do something and they do.i never heard of a computer making constructs nor do i believe they can,even if a robot tried to.(they do have robots in labs in japan with human like faces,dont know if they are still programming but i saw it along time ago) |
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daevl
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Post by daevl on Sept 20, 2007 11:14:04 GMT -5
Nobody said anything about emotional decisions. Computers can't do that yet.
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Post by Barriss Offee on Dec 15, 2007 23:30:56 GMT -5
daevl, I am a computer programmer myself, and while I know that computers have vast possibilities, I really don't think that the computers of today could even handle an AI interface that would allow them to recognize and use psi. Also, while you could create a program that could get it to do this, you would need some hardware that is way beyond anything we have today.
I'm not saying this is impossible - after all, in the early days of computers, many people would have said it was impossible for a computer to sense heat and calculate the temperature of something, although that is commonplace technology today. However, I'm pretty sure that I couldn't create that kind of "sensor".
If you could do it & create the program to run it, though, you would be a REVOLUTIONARY, to the world of computers and to psionics! Work on it. Keep me informed.
--edwardbear159
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Kreigh
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Post by Kreigh on Dec 19, 2007 0:27:31 GMT -5
Im with edward on this, with a sophisticated enough AI. It could actually become possible. The human brain is basically just a computer too.
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Post by Intrigue on Dec 21, 2007 17:40:39 GMT -5
Ahh, but, it might be possible at some point to program computers to simulate and therefore form a psi ball. I know it is possible to program a computer to have a mind, as I have done such research in Artificial Intelligence and self-programming machines. i have also programmed a few A.I. Programs myself. Psi is the energy of biological thought. That is not to say that all things don't have energy; for the most part, many things do. However, a computer (AI included) does not and will not generate that same field. If you were to program an artificial intelligence which can genuinely imitate-- no, not even imitate-- actually CREATE conscious thought, I would be more than happy to debate with you on that topic. As of now however, that is not a reality. "I think, therefore I am." A computer does not think. It processes, it reacts. As does the brain. However, there are a number of key differences-- a computer will not develop philosophy about life and death without being programmed to do so. A computer acts significantly more efficiently than the human brain on a single process (Dual-core processors excluded. Then you have two.) The brain processes, and reacts-- but it also adapts, evolves. I have a number of other arguements if you would like to continue this debate, as I'm having a good time with it ^_^ |
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Post by GEOvanne on Dec 22, 2007 11:34:11 GMT -5
ok, about that robot from point A to B thing. if something is in the way, unless it got instructions on possible thigns to do if something is in the way, it will keep moving forward into the wall (like a RC car with the remote stuck on forward, unless you programmed it to stop if it hit something.
but actually, what edwardbear159 said about dececting and gathering psi.
whene you put it that way, there might be something to it.
if there was a way for the computer to detect psi, it could possibly gather it. (more could be added to that, but my brain...is........ bip.....bip......beeeeeeeeeeeeep)
now im knida confused as to what to think. but i still saw its not possible
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Post by The Adfeng on Dec 22, 2007 11:45:26 GMT -5
Yes, if you can sense and detect it, you can make a psi construct or psi ball.(this should be under debate?)
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Post by Jaxek on Dec 22, 2007 18:29:30 GMT -5
There is a possibility that computers or bio-tech computers could gather psi and therefore create constructs. However, certain things would have to be accomplished before hand.
First things first, serious research would have to be undertaken into what we exactly do when we gather psi and form it into constructs. For example, what processes exactly happen in our body or mind when we draw "psi" from external sources or internal sources. Another thing is that we would have to find out exactly what "psi" is. Is it some kind of energy? We can only specualte these answers from our own experiences. This raises a question, how would we go about completing this research. What would we do, we have no methods of research at this current point in time to do this so we would have to wait for a method to be found first before this. After research has been complete, we would have to create a bio-technology computer with a living conscience and appropriate bio-technological hardware and software to actually pull off the task. Since none of this can be accomplished at the moment, and i think even a couple hundred years from now its not even something we should be concentrating on.
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Post by Barriss Offee on Dec 23, 2007 20:26:54 GMT -5
Experiments have been done before (at places like the Monroe Institute) where they attach psions to biofeedback machines or something like that, to see exactly what happens when these people manipulate the psi, and specifically what the psi is. Not sure what the results of this were ... but if you could figure out the exact components of psi energy, create some sort of hardware that would detect psi, program the hardware to do exactly what the psions did to manipulate psi and create psiballs, then I believe it would work. If you are motivated enough, this should be possible!
UPDATE: Is this thread dead or something? Somebody, please, come on and comment! Please?
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