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Post by The Adfeng on Nov 3, 2007 19:00:02 GMT -5
A lot of things can happen in 20 years, such as people say the Apocolypse might come, the earth might get destoryed, aliens will come, or some other stuff.
Why not try to prevent it when we can?
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Post by lilmoe15 on Nov 4, 2007 17:04:43 GMT -5
A lot of things can happen in 20 years, such as people say the Apocolypse might come, the earth might get destoryed, aliens will come, or some other stuff. Why not try to prevent it when we can? You can't pervent something that will happen anyways.Its a natural chain of cooling and heating.Even Al Gore can agree with that. |
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Post by ismavatar on Nov 6, 2007 1:49:52 GMT -5
Your logic here is the same as saying:
"I have a pill that I can choose to take. If I take it, I will puke. If I don't take it, I will feel fine. Now I've started to lift this pill towards my mouth, so now I'm destined to puke and there's nothing I can do to prevent it because it will happen anyway. Time to just deal with the consequences."
When in reality, you've only lifted the pill halfway to your mouth, and can still turn back!
Sure, in response to heating, the earth naturally cools, and once we have reached this point, there's no turning back; cooling will occur. But we haven't hit that point yet, and this heat didn't necessarily arise spontaneously, there is insurmountable evidence that states that we have caused this heating (we have started raising the pill to our mouth), and we can stop it (we can stop, and put the pill back down).
Well, there needs to be good evidence to suggest this, otherwise we're just chasing folleys. You can waste all your money on a new indestructable bomb-shelter because one of these days we might blow ourselves up, but then you'll be out of money to buy a space-suit for when the earth's atmosphere vanishes. Simply put, we can't try to prevent everything, because we'd run out of money, and we'd start to look silly. What we need to do is a risk-analysis, to see what is more likely to occur, what evidence has been mounting to suggest that this will occur, and then and only then do we begin either steps to prevent it or steps to prepare for it.
Here we have 2 extremes, in 2 consecutive posts. One guy saying "You need to be prepared for everything all the time", and the other guy saying "Stuff happens, and there's nothing you can do, so just take it".
"Listening to both sides of the story will convince you that there is more to a story than both sides." -Frank Tyger
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Post by lilmoe15 on Nov 6, 2007 14:08:54 GMT -5
Your logic here is the same as saying: "I have a pill that I can choose to take. If I take it, I will puke. If I don't take it, I will feel fine. Now I've started to lift this pill towards my mouth, so now I'm destined to puke and there's nothing I can do to prevent it because it will happen anyway. Time to just deal with the consequences." When in reality, you've only lifted the pill halfway to your mouth, and can still turn back! Sure, in response to heating, the earth naturally cools, and once we have reached this point, there's no turning back; cooling will occur. But we haven't hit that point yet, and this heat didn't necessarily arise spontaneously, there is insurmountable evidence that states that we have caused this heating (we have started raising the pill to our mouth), and we can stop it (we can stop, and put the pill back down). Well, there needs to be good evidence to suggest this, otherwise we're just chasing folleys. You can waste all your money on a new indestructable bomb-shelter because one of these days we might blow ourselves up, but then you'll be out of money to buy a space-suit for when the earth's atmosphere vanishes. Simply put, we can't try to prevent everything, because we'd run out of money, and we'd start to look silly. What we need to do is a risk-analysis, to see what is more likely to occur, what evidence has been mounting to suggest that this will occur, and then and only then do we begin either steps to prevent it or steps to prepare for it. Here we have 2 extremes, in 2 consecutive posts. One guy saying "You need to be prepared for everything all the time", and the other guy saying "Stuff happens, and there's nothing you can do, so just take it". "Listening to both sides of the story will convince you that there is more to a story than both sides." -Frank Tyger Then show me the proof and also why Mars and Venus are heating up just like earth.And don't forget the back in the 40's the earth was hotter then it is now before we started making huge CO2 emissions. |
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Post by ismavatar on Nov 6, 2007 17:08:56 GMT -5
Warmer in the 40's?  Or here's my personal favorite, regarding the natural rise and fall of temperatures and CO2 throughout earth's history: ImageImages courtesy of Wikipedia and are under the GNU FDL 1.2 (image 1) and Wikimedia Commons (image 2) |
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Post by The Adfeng on Nov 8, 2007 20:05:47 GMT -5
We might be just one big cycle, it looks as if the temperature goes up, then down, and if we have been increasing a lot with no fall, then that might mean that we would fall a lot. According to that graph up there. But if that happens, we might actually get very very cold. And that's not good.
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Post by lilmoe15 on Nov 9, 2007 0:38:24 GMT -5
Honestly I don't trust anything off of wikipedia.But thats my opinion,and honestly looking back on history we had people saying the same thing about global cooling and a next Ice age blah blah blah.And now seeing how solar activity has increased and other planets are heating up I find it hard to blame on humans.
Don't get me wrong we have messed a little with our eco system but not to the degree of creating global warming on our planet and on others.
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Post by ismavatar on Nov 9, 2007 12:06:26 GMT -5
If you don't trust it, that's why it cites its sources. You don't have to trust it, just read the sources that it cites:
Brohan, P., J.J. Kennedy, I. Haris, S.F.B. Tett and P.D. Jones (2006). "Uncertainty estimates in regional and global observed temperature changes: a new dataset from 1850". J. Geophysical Research 111
so you mean to tell me that it's just a pure coincidence that while we're stuffing the atmosphere full of CO2 and CFC's, it just happened to be at a convenient time because the planet decided to warm up? And when we pulled back from producing so many aerosol cans, it just happened to be at a convenient time, because the planet decided to cool down a little? And that it's just a mere coincidence that the planet just decided to warm up big time right about the time the Industrial Revolution got started?
That's too many coincidences to me. Like the creationists like to say, "It's much too complicated to have happened on its own, there must have been someone who created it".
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Post by lilmoe15 on Nov 10, 2007 12:58:12 GMT -5
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Post by ismavatar on Nov 10, 2007 16:46:15 GMT -5
If there was anything on that first webpage that might have rang "conspiracy theory", that sentence tipped me off. I don't know how I'm supposed to take any of those graphs seriously, especially considering that they aren't cited, so they could have just been fabricated, and the guy who wrote that article is barely what I'd call a climate scientist, considering his "11 novels" that he's published focus around the "Principle of Universal Love".
And sorry for not addressing your points about the other planets warming up. I'm not intentionally dodging them, I just don't know anything on that matter to be able to address them. I have taken them to mind, though, and will try to look into them and possibly respond when I know more.
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Post by lilmoe15 on Nov 10, 2007 18:45:53 GMT -5
If there was anything on that first webpage that might have rang "conspiracy theory", that sentence tipped me off. I don't know how I'm supposed to take any of those graphs seriously, especially considering that they aren't cited, so they could have just been fabricated, and the guy who wrote that article is barely what I'd call a climate scientist, considering his "11 novels" that he's published focus around the "Principle of Universal Love". And sorry for not addressing your points about the other planets warming up. I'm not intentionally dodging them, I just don't know anything on that matter to be able to address them. I have taken them to mind, though, and will try to look into them and possibly respond when I know more. Its okay.At first I did believe that it was only man's fault but after researching on how solar patterns are heating our planets and others. epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=c5e16731-3c64-481c-9a36-d702baea2a42 |
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