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Post by IWannaBeSedated on Dec 16, 2007 5:00:13 GMT -5
December 5th at my work I sent out a sort of mental request if you will to both God and my Spirit Guide. Paraphrasing, but what I said to my Spirit Guide was: "Please, whomever may be listening, show me that you exist and that I'm not talking to the air". To God: "I don't know what to believe, if what I'm pursuing now is wrong I'd appreciate some sort of specific sign before the end of the day that I cannot write off as coincidence." God knew what I was talking about. A street light flickering on and off multiple times, an electric clock that instead of numbers reads something like "Jesus", a stranger stopping me and saying something like "you know God is love, right?". Reason I was looking for a sign like that is because there are lots of Christian fundamentalists I know personally that tell me AP is "evil" and when we project we enter a realm where evil spirits lie or something to that effect. After asking that around 2 hours later a Christian minister I met only once before struck up a convo with me and asked me how I had been since the last time we spoke. This is an experience that can be written off as a huge coincidence, yet I have my doubts. It can't be that the only way to the afterlife is through the specific denomination of Christianity. I've gone through pretty much every belief system out there and even though my progress with projecting is extremely slow, I was more or less happy with it. I loved being able to say to myself- While I have faults, I know I'm a good person and am glad I will be accepted to "Heaven" because of that. Now this experience has made me depressed. Here I am under the impression that I've gotten a sign that's saying it's either being a Christian or to Hell with you, LITERALLY. I asked the minister what becomes of those who live in very secluded areas of the world that still live as tribes, who never once in their entire life hear about Jesus, never once in their entire life have read a page of the Bible let alone have people such as himself get around to their neck of the woods to preach to them and he didn't give me a direct answer.  |
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Post by Leon on Dec 16, 2007 9:34:07 GMT -5
I asked the minister what becomes of those who live in very secluded areas of the world that still live as tribes, who never once in their entire life hear about Jesus, never once in their entire life have read a page of the Bible let alone have people such as himself get around to their neck of the woods to preach to them and he didn't give me a direct answer. They often do that. If it's not something that doesn't fit into their belief system, then they often find ways to work around it, and often move onto another topic so cautiously you almost foget. They say they have all the answers, but they don't, and if you ask them something that they can't answer, they beat around the bush and walk away from the subject. Now instead of starting a religious debate, I'm going to drop it right now and tell you what I think. Maybe it's a sign, maybe it's a coincidence. But personally, I think (and this has been working for me for the past 2 years) you need to go find your own beliefs. The bible and other religious texts have been watered down by every author who chooses to add his own twists and whatnot. And I'm not saying that to upset people, I'm saying that, because it's truth. And it's the same with any old texts (old roman, or old english stories). Merlin for example, in some versions he was Arthur's mentor, in others, he was one of his highest soldiers. It happens with any old text. You have to think of what you believe, how you view life, and what makes the most sense to you, and follow that path. |
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Post by Boldylocks on Dec 16, 2007 18:56:53 GMT -5
December 5th at my work I sent out a sort of mental request if you will to both God and my Spirit Guide. Paraphrasing, but what I said to my Spirit Guide was: "Please, whomever may be listening, show me that you exist and that I'm not talking to the air". To God: "I don't know what to believe, if what I'm pursuing now is wrong I'd appreciate some sort of specific sign before the end of the day that I cannot write off as coincidence." God knew what I was talking about. A street light flickering on and off multiple times, an electric clock that instead of numbers reads something like "Jesus", a stranger stopping me and saying something like "you know God is love, right?". Reason I was looking for a sign like that is because there are lots of Christian fundamentalists I know personally that tell me AP is "evil" and when we project we enter a realm where evil spirits lie or something to that effect. After asking that around 2 hours later a Christian minister I met only once before struck up a convo with me and asked me how I had been since the last time we spoke. This is an experience that can be written off as a huge coincidence, yet I have my doubts. It can't be that the only way to the afterlife is through the specific denomination of Christianity. I've gone through pretty much every belief system out there and even though my progress with projecting is extremely slow, I was more or less happy with it. I loved being able to say to myself- While I have faults, I know I'm a good person and am glad I will be accepted to "Heaven" because of that. Now this experience has made me depressed. Here I am under the impression that I've gotten a sign that's saying it's either being a Christian or to Hell with you, LITERALLY. I asked the minister what becomes of those who live in very secluded areas of the world that still live as tribes, who never once in their entire life hear about Jesus, never once in their entire life have read a page of the Bible let alone have people such as himself get around to their neck of the woods to preach to them and he didn't give me a direct answer. I Wannabesedated, I believe you did get a sign that day that you needed for confirmation about wether Christ is bogus or not. I don't think that Christian fundamentalists are necessarily correct in all of thier assumptions. Many of them are well intentioned, but they may need to look outside of the box at times. I am a Christian . Been converted since age 16. What God has showed me is that a person who has never heard of the words, Jesus Christ, or God can accept Him into thier hearts without even knowing it mentally. You can see Christ shining out of certain people's eyes in any Country of the World you visit. You may ask them about Jesus and they may say, "I have never heard of this Jesus" The eye of a person reveals what is in their heart. You can also see evil glittering out of some people's eyes too, but that's another topic. God doesn't really need missionaries . He speaks to a person's soul and subconscious and a person can accept or reject Him in thier soul. I think He just goes along with some people wanting to be missionaries because it helps them stay close to Him emotionally, so He humors many of them in a way and lets them "have at it" to do thier missionary work. Just because a little island of people never heard of Jesus Christ doesn't mean they are doomed to Hell. God speaks to man every day in our hearts. If you accept unselfish love in your heart, you already have accepted Christ without knowing it literally. It's all about what you accept in your heart chakra. A sign that you have not accepted Christ or Love in your hearts is if you find yourself hating or despising people that are unpopular or considered "nerdy" or the poorest of the poor. If you feel a compassion for these people, then you have accepted Christ in your heart. After that person dies, then eventually they will meet Christ in Heaven, and will discover that they knew Him all along when on Earth, but just didn't know it then. If you feel a compassion for animals and the "underdog", you have accepted Christ in your hearts as well. All unselfish love is God. I'm not talking about sexual and selfish love that seeks what it can get from someone, but Unselfish love. Don't be surprised that in all the levels of Heaven, you will meet people from primitive tribes there. This is true for all people on this planet, and probably true for all Creation on other planets as well, as I think God created more than just humans in the Universe. Most religious people mean well, but they were taught things like, animals don't have souls, and things like that. YOu have to feel sorry for these religious folk. They're stuck in certain beliefs and afraid that anything else is aspostacy. As for Astral Projection, I feel if you pray before you do it, then it can actually be a blessed learning experience, and you may even be able to be used to help others this way. You should read the post I posted over at the Astral Projection forum here. I think I titled it, "One man's experience with Astral Projection". He now astral projects on a regular basis and God is using him to help souls that are stuck on the earthly plane. I just e-mailed this guy too, and he sent me an e-mail back! I mentioned how his testimony makes me want to hug God. He told me that all I have to do is hug another human being, and I am hugging God, because God is inside everyone to some degree. Hugs! Boldylocks |
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Post by JediKaren on Dec 16, 2007 23:11:10 GMT -5
I'm not a Christain, but doesn't god love people? I mean, after all he supposely created all of them in one way or another, so doesn't that mean he loves, not hates, not wants to send all to hell? And this loving God, if he wants peace, if he wants good deeds to be done, for humans to be nice to each other and help each other out, would he not like us? Oh, let us not forget the fact that since he created us, he "created" psi and our ability to feel and use psi. Then there are several refrains in the bible that mention about astral projection. So if god would send me to hell, he would do it because I am a nice, kind, caring, helpful person, who wants and works for peace, who he created, who gave me the ability to astral project, and dearly loves. Hmm, now try to argue that one. (I'm an atheist btw)
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Post by IWannaBeSedated on Dec 17, 2007 3:39:55 GMT -5
I am a Christian . Been converted since age 16. What God has showed me is that a person who has never heard of the words, Jesus Christ, or God can accept Him into thier hearts without even knowing it mentally. You can see Christ shining out of certain people's eyes in any Country of the World you visit. You may ask them about Jesus and they may say, "I have never heard of this Jesus" The eye of a person reveals what is in their heart. You can also see evil glittering out of some people's eyes too, but that's another topic. Of course there are some instances where you can get a feeling when somebody is evil. But nope, according to the Bible one needs not only to have accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior through their mouth but also witness to others to save their souls and live a "Christian life". Being a good person alone doesn't cut it for Christians and the Bible. As for Astral Projection, I feel if you pray before you do it, then it can actually be a blessed learning experience, and you may even be able to be used to help others this way. Agreed. I've only projected once and it was spontaneous, but every night when I attempt to project at will, I send out a prayer for a little extra protection just to be on the safe side because I don't doubt the existence of evil spirits either way. Oh, let us not forget the fact that since he created us, he "created" psi and our ability to feel and use psi. Most Christians would say that psi, astral projection and the like are only influences of demonic beings and Satan himself. Odd, are you saying you don't believe in an afterlife or some form of higher power at all? Just never heard of an atheist who believes in the 6th sense let alone anything else even vaguely related. For the record, I've heard the argument how you'll only go to Hell when you die if you believe in it and feel you deserve it. As with when I said most Christians say anything that "we" have an interest in is evil, the same can be said with most Christians how that it doesn't matter if you're a good person or don't even think there's an afterlife at all, it's either Hell or Heaven that awaits all humans when they die. |
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Post by Boldylocks on Dec 17, 2007 20:39:31 GMT -5
I am a Christian . Been converted since age 16. What God has showed me is that a person who has never heard of the words, Jesus Christ, or God can accept Him into thier hearts without even knowing it mentally. You can see Christ shining out of certain people's eyes in any Country of the World you visit. You may ask them about Jesus and they may say, "I have never heard of this Jesus" The eye of a person reveals what is in their heart. You can also see evil glittering out of some people's eyes too, but that's another topic. Of course there are some instances where you can get a feeling when somebody is evil. But nope, according to the Bible one needs not only to have accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior through their mouth but also witness to others to save their souls and live a "Christian life". Being a good person alone doesn't cut it for Christians and the Bible. Agreed. I've only projected once and it was spontaneous, but every night when I attempt to project at will, I send out a prayer for a little extra protection just to be on the safe side because I don't doubt the existence of evil spirits either way. Most Christians would say that psi, astral projection and the like are only influences of demonic beings and Satan himself. Odd, are you saying you don't believe in an afterlife or some form of higher power at all? Just never heard of an atheist who believes in the 6th sense let alone anything else even vaguely related. For the record, I've heard the argument how you'll only go to Hell when you die if you believe in it and feel you deserve it. As with when I said most Christians say anything that "we" have an interest in is evil, the same can be said with most Christians how that it doesn't matter if you're a good person or don't even think there's an afterlife at all, it's either Hell or Heaven that awaits all humans when they die. I don't agree about that way of "witnessing". I know with most of the Religious World, that form of witnessing you mention is what they refer to. It just never sat right with me. To me, witnessing for God is not through your words, but glorifying God through your life. If Love is the motivating factor for your actions, then you are witnessing without even being aware of it. This goes for all people in the World., no matter what religion. If an action is inspired by Love, and not the desire to be a "do gooder" , or look holy in front of others, then you are being a true witness. If you have love in your heart, its going to show sooner or later to others and you don't have to open your mouth unless you have an inner spiritual urge from God to do so. 99% of the time, God would just prefer Christians just shut up and glorify Him by the life they live (that is fueled by His genuine love) and not through words and preaching or handing out religious pamphlets. Remember , God doesnt need mankind to do these things for Him, but we all need a Higher Power |
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Post by The Adfeng on Dec 18, 2007 22:09:14 GMT -5
I don't see really what's wrong with Astral Projection. It doesn't ever say at any point in time, "You are not allowed to astral project" in the bible. If God didn't want us to do it, then why did He create it? I believed that God didn't want me to astral project, so I asked him to let me do it at least once, and he let me. God will speak to you, you just have to be there to listen. He created you, and He wants you to talk to Him. I love talking to God, he's like my other best friend that I can tell everything to.
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Post by neopsychic on Dec 20, 2007 13:35:30 GMT -5
IWannaBeSedated: Do what you think is right. If in your heart what you are doing is right then nothing else matters. Religions and fear can be come and go but you'll still be there in the end.
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Post by The Adfeng on Dec 20, 2007 20:48:25 GMT -5
That's not very nice. I do what I think is right, but if I know something is against God or any other of my beliefs then I won't do it, or try to refrain from doing it as much as possible.
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Post by neopsychic on Dec 21, 2007 0:06:35 GMT -5
That's not very nice. I do what I think is right, but if I know something is against God or any other of my beliefs then I won't do it, or try to refrain from doing it as much as possible. Sorry if I seemed a little mean there. But if what you believe is right, then at a point, nothing else will matter. Probably should have phrased that a little better.  I'll edit my post. |
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Post by The Adfeng on Dec 21, 2007 11:24:11 GMT -5
Thank you. I know what you mean. But, if I know in my heart that it's wrong and against my religion and beliefs, then I won't do it.
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Post by JediKaren on Dec 22, 2007 11:10:14 GMT -5
"Odd, are you saying you don't believe in an afterlife or some form of higher power at all? Just never heard of an atheist who believes in the 6th sense let alone anything else even vaguely related."
I don't believe there is a god out there. I do believe in spirits, but not in the same sense as an Christian does. I believe there is something after death, but not heave or hell.
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Post by The Adfeng on Dec 22, 2007 11:41:24 GMT -5
I'm a Christian, and I believe in spirits, both ways. I believe that they walk the earth, and that there are spirits of God on the earth. Kind of strange for a Christian to believe that, but I do.
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Post by joshiwonbrenobi on Jan 5, 2008 19:52:11 GMT -5
I have done the run around with religion for years. This isn't right. Well That isn't Right.
I have come to believe that religion was based to tare people apart. Segregate. My religion is right. No MY religion is right !! Its a war as to whom is right.
Study religions. Take what you feel is right from everything. Leave the rest.
Many people find GOD this way. It is not right for all ,but there are faults in all religions.
I thought we weren't suppose to praise false idols? Jesus is not god. So i do not praise Jesus anymore. Please don't take that as i am right and you are not.
This is not the case.
I just have found that the more i delve into religions the more i get confused.
The more i look inside for Love and Peace. The more i feel at Peace & Loved.
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Post by ismavatar on Jan 14, 2008 14:04:59 GMT -5
Read books. Take what you feel is right from everything. Leave the rest.
They don't even have to be religious books. You can find God this way. You can find there is no God this way. It might work for you, it might not work for you. But it's just as effective as studying religions, and it's just as effective if you find god or reject god, and it's just as effective if you come to no conclusion. The point is, you will learn, and you will become a wiser and more informed individual, and wisdom is power. In fact, wisdom is so powerful, that a wise reading is much more effective as an inexperienced reading. And most importantly, don't just question what you're reading. Question yourself.
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