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Post by psioclad on Nov 23, 2007 22:24:14 GMT -5
From all the articles that I have read on making psi balls, it always says to move the energy from a certain source to between your palms. So I was wondering, is it possible to create new energy or are you always just moving 'old' energy.
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Post by jeremy on Dec 3, 2007 1:04:26 GMT -5
Lots of people say it's impossible because they've been taught the first law of thermodynamics in school. I disagree because: 1: I can do it; 2: Energy that we learn about in school physics and energy as in psi are two unrelated concepts. Anyway: high school science energy isn't even real: people just believe in it because of this guy called Count Louis De Broglie misinterpreted the results of his famous experiment and then a whole bunch of other scientific stuff got based on it so now 90% of all science needs to be reformulated and that's just too inconvenient even for people who otherwise like to challenge the status quo.
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Post by Cronus on Dec 3, 2007 2:04:20 GMT -5
Take us through a step by step method of how you make the energy.
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Post by Brilenus on Dec 3, 2007 4:37:44 GMT -5
Actually, I am willing to bet that you cannot create energy. I thought I could for a while, but it turns out I was simply drawing it in a method that was incredibly difficult to detect, thus causing an appearance of creation of energy.
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Post by brandonslau on Dec 3, 2007 6:34:33 GMT -5
Cannot be created nor destroyed just changed into different forms.  |
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Post by meep on Dec 3, 2007 6:45:23 GMT -5
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Law of conservation of energy and matter!
Energy or matter cannot be created or destroyed!
It is only recycled? (is that the correct term? Anyway, thats what it does)
Jeremy- I disagree with you. If high school science isn't real, then wouldn't everything be not 'real' because everything is based on it slightly?
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Post by Mr.Experiment on Dec 4, 2007 19:06:46 GMT -5
There is an equal balance of Energy/Matter on this plane.
You can 'create' energy by converting Matter into Energy but the balance on this plane is still the same.
~Jano
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Post by brandonslau on Dec 5, 2007 22:15:33 GMT -5
But matter is made of energy.
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Post by legatosama312 on Dec 6, 2007 12:28:47 GMT -5
From all the articles that I have read on making psi balls, it always says to move the energy from a certain source to between your palms. So I was wondering, is it possible to create new energy or are you always just moving 'old' energy. well technically all energy is old and that everytime it's used it renews itself for whatever tasks it is to take next. so in actually no there's not really any new energy. Also you don't have to keep moving energy from you, you also have the option to draw it from your surroundings or completely far-off places all together. |
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Post by Cronus on Dec 12, 2007 1:32:37 GMT -5
Like everyone has said; energy cant be destroyed nor created, just convertated. For example: Potential (stored energy) -> Kinetic (movement energy).
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Post by jeremy on Dec 14, 2007 19:53:31 GMT -5
Jeremy- I disagree with you. If high school science isn't real, then wouldn't everything be not 'real' because everything is based on it slightly? Well no, let me clarify my last statement. I think that everything which has been described as energy does in fact exist, but that it isn't all just different forms of the same thing so no, nothing is actually based on it. For example: Potential (stored energy) -> Kinetic (movement energy). Actually this particular example is the exact source of my original doubts about the whole energy theory. Here's my reasoning: 1:One of Newton's laws: All motion is relative (ask your science teacher ) 2: Heisenberg's uncertainty principle: An object's position and its velocity cannot both have specific values. (yes, it actually means that objects really don't have specific positions or speeds) (ask your science teacher) 3: Velocity is a property of motion. (by definition) 4: The theory of conservation of energy depends on energy being absolute. (by definition) 5: The theory of conservation of energy depends on energy always having specific values. (by definition) 6: If energy is a function of motion, then it is relative, not absolute (plain logic) 7: If energy is a function of objects' positions and/or velocities, then it does not have specific values. (plain logic) I can also give you a mathematical proof that energy is a fallacy but I have no reason to believe you'll be able to understand it. As for a step by step method for creating energy: there are two First method (high school definitions here): Wait for the fabric of spacetime to do it for you. You won't have to wait long: It created about 1eV of energy in the space of your body while you were reading this sentence. Unfortunately for you this energy was mostly in the form of long-wave photons and not much use for you. Second method (psi energy): Make a psi-ball, then program it to self-amplify. If you like you can also program it to build itself by exaggerating the effect of the first method. |
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Post by Mr.Experiment on Dec 16, 2007 13:04:56 GMT -5
Physics - The Energy and Matter on this plane or in an equal net balance.
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Where talking about Psionics which is MetaPhysics.
These 'Physics' may be a mere trap to create limits for us. So, technically if we where to be MetaPhysicists we can create energy, and it's possible.
I do not reccomend it, since there is nothing wrong with 'old' energy.
~Jano
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Post by furball on Dec 16, 2007 16:33:09 GMT -5
Wow, for psions you guys are really narrow minded. How can you be so sure that energy can/can't be created? Do any of you actully have something solid to base your thoughts on? Oh and high school science classes dont count as solid, people spend their whole lives studying this and many other scientific fields and never come to simple rules like that. Please dont think im saying any of you are wrong, everyone is entitled to an opinion but if you want people to take yours seriously then you have to take theirs seriously. As for the actual debate when im practicing it feels like im creating energy certainly. However I THINK whats actully happening is the sub concious draws energy from somewhere else (I suspect just anything in the area). For anyone intrested, if I attempt to use PK then it just happens (well when im on form anyways ), I don't conciously do anything with energy. When I try to manipulate energy (which I dot really do that often) then it just starts to form where I want it to, again I suspect it is being drawn in but rather than chanelling a large amount of energy (which is fairly noticeable) from somewhere im drawing a little bit of energy from many places, thus the lack of feeling. |
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Post by GEOvanne on Dec 18, 2007 13:15:47 GMT -5
How can we be so sure that energy can/can't be created? the people that spend their whole lives studying this and many other scientific fields were the ones to come up with simple rules like that. i believe that when you do anything with psi, unless you specify what energy source you want to se, your body gives up some. and it can be restored by resting, or sleeping  and i think i read somewhere that your body restores it by drawing it from the astral planes |
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Post by Mr.Experiment on Dec 18, 2007 17:06:12 GMT -5
Well, Im going to make it simple.
Can Energy Be Created? - Yes.
Everything can be created or destroyed, it's just find the means of how.
Now Can Energy Be Created AND Arupting The Natural Balance Of Energy/Matter? - Yes
Though if you ever stumble on the way, don't do it ^^
Trust Me, Its a Big No No
~Jano
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