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Post by The Illusionist on Mar 13, 2007 7:04:42 GMT -5
All who read this please forgive me if this is a n00b like question
I am somewhat new to meditation, i just have a question or more about it, once you finish meditating does your amount of energy increase? thus making you able to use yourself as a main energy source when making a psi ball and not become light headed quicker? Is it possible through meditation for the mind's limits to be released there'fore bringging out the full potential of the human mind? When in a state of meditation is it possible to to get locked within your own mind and not being able to revive your self or escape and not come back the world you see before you?
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Post by stolide on Mar 13, 2007 8:41:58 GMT -5
Yes you can increses your energy,
It depends on what you mean by that. You can have precognitive experiances.
This is a definate NO. I don't why so many people think this might be possible.
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Post by legatosama312 on Mar 16, 2007 22:36:57 GMT -5
what the locking yourself in your mind part? that just sounds like a generic coma to me?
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Post by zeroagent on Mar 24, 2007 13:01:39 GMT -5
The full potential of a human mind is rather complex, I think. A single dose of meditation is almost certain to not bring that out. I daresay a single year's worth of meditation sessions wouldn't quite be enough. And maybe it's a good idea to not bring out the full potential. I mean, after you get there, what's left to do but just wait to die? I kinda like knowing there's still more to discover. I've never heard of the idea of being "trapped in one's own mind" before, though it seems rather ludicrous to me. How you get lost in your own mind, I can't figure out. Lost in space, maybe, but not in your mind. I'm not sure it's truely possible to be locked into someone else's mind, either, for that matter. At any rate, to me, it would seem that a mind being locked away outside the body for a long enough period of time would destroy both the body and the mind. I prefer, myself, to keep my mind firmly rooted in my body where it belongs. It wanders too much as it is.
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Post by grepinggrok on Mar 25, 2007 10:39:37 GMT -5
Well I would agree with the others, although being kinda new to all this I can't really say about the energy part. But I kinda disagree with zeroagent that if you bring out the full potential of your mind life will become boring. The why I see it is if you did that (atleast if it's at all possible to bring forth your _full_ potential) all you have left to do is explore the universe. Which by my calculations will take a gazillion times longer and is also a gazillion times harder so I think the earth and the universe) has more than enough entertainment value to keep anyone busy for atleast 5 gazillion years. Should stop talking now this is about where I stop making sense.
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Post by JediKaren on Mar 25, 2007 10:45:06 GMT -5
" But I kinda disagree with zeroagent that if you bring out the full potential of your mind life will become boring. "
Well, yes and no. I like to compare my life before I knew about psi to now. The truth is right now I'm living on a whole other plane. I notice more, I see more, I sense more and I know more. That has made my life richer, more interesting and more fun. But on the other hand, nothing is very simple anymore. Everything has to be questioned, understood, practiced. That can be a bit annoying.
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Post by zeroagent on Mar 25, 2007 20:32:28 GMT -5
Not so sure about a gagillion years worth of exploration there. Lol. I understand the living on a different plane and seeing things from a different perspective. But if the human mind reaches the absolute peek of potential, then, scientifically and logically, there is nothing higher to discover or learn. But, I don't know. At any rate, this topic is about meditation.
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Post by celticpsiballer on Mar 27, 2007 22:26:11 GMT -5
Yes; but would it not be interesting to discover secrets about yourself that even you did not know? I mean, learning about past lives and such, if you could 'peak the mind to the full potential' as you say, zeroagent, then could you not learn about any past lives you might have had? Would that be worth learning?
Back on topic: So basically meditation is like going into the same state of mind as if you were doing psionics, but not concentrating on anything, just sort of drifting through your mind, sleeping but not sleeping; thinking but not thinking?
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Post by zeroagent on Mar 28, 2007 8:44:34 GMT -5
In responce to the potential of the human mind, I daresay that there is nothing higher than 100%. And even for the human mind, that is the utlimate limit. After reaching 100%, it would just make sense that the mind would already have become aware of anything it did not understand. At 100%, however, the mind will have learned everything it can. If there is anything left to learn, the mind would not be able to understand it because it has reached its full capabilities. Which, also, would most likely mean that there wouldn't be anything left to learn.
In responce to the topic at hand: Meditation induces an altered state of consciousness. Something similiar to hypnosis or, in a way of speaking, like sleep. It's not such much simply difting in a sea of thoughtlessness as much as calming and relaxing the mind and body. Meditation is usually used to prepare the mind for a task that would require a higher degree of concentration that the commonly active mind is capable of giving. It could also be used to simply relax the mind and relieve stress.
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Post by celticpsiballer on Mar 28, 2007 21:56:56 GMT -5
But what I mean is, that even someone with their mind working at full capacity ot whatever, that you have found out about everything you know, but you would have to explore it and learn about it, there is always room for improvement as well, for anyone and everyone. Who says that human minds, or even animal mind for that matter, even have boundaries to speak of? Has anyone ever bothered to try and explore farther than what we think is maximum working capacity of our minds?
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Post by leethal on Apr 9, 2007 17:43:13 GMT -5
What i think is: If you reach 100% of your potential, you burn out. if you dont, all you have learned is about yourself and your surroundings. Unless you travel around the universe understanding everything you see, you dont know everything. And this learning of things away can be most interesting. Just looking at NASA's atronomy pic of the day makes me dream about space. Things i thought only happened in special effects in tv are actually more beautiful in outer space. a nebulae, a star exploding, a galaxy, ... look it up, it's got a lot of stuff. I like to look at it.
Anyway, i believe a man's work is never done. Once you reach 100%, your social responsibility would be to teach others. This would take your life for sure.
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Post by zeroagent on Apr 9, 2007 19:22:03 GMT -5
Possibly. But I'd be surprised if anyone ever reached this proverbial 100% by the time they died, much less had time to teach anyone else. Teachers should learn one thing, not all things, and teach what they know.
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Post by Intrigue on Apr 13, 2007 15:17:23 GMT -5
There is no set limit for cognitive potential (the ability to think). Thought occurs through electrical impulses, and the only limit is what you are personally capable of at the time, through your natural intelligence, 'training,' or simple capability of focus. If you want to, think of meditation like defragging your computer's hard drive, you're re-arranging or removing thoughts in order to create a more streamlined process. The goal of meditation is to reach a state in which you are able to easily focus, and your own talents are magnified. You might also see it as freeing your subconscious in a way-- Think about it, while riding a bike and consciously trying to maintain balance, you'll often wobble and fall. However, relaxing those thoughts and your subconscious will perform those minute movements for you in place of your conscious mind, allowing you to think of other things.
Usually I'm capable of keeping track of multiple lines of conscious thought at once without effort (no more than 3 without having to focus on them). Of course, this is usually barring a headache or some other significant distraction. On the downside, it also means I tend to go off on tangents and not pay attention to what else is going on around me when I'm bored.
Like vision, (20/20 being the 'normal' rating, NOT perfect as some people might say) thought has no defined boundaries, nor does the brain have significant restrictions on it. There are innumerable ways to train yourself to think at a 'higher' level, meditation being one of them.
In some cases, the goal of meditation is to reach a state of zen (someone please correct me if I spelled that wrong) upon which your mind has reached a significantly higher level of thought than you normally can-- before a round in archery, at one point, I meditated and (for once) hit a zen state, promptly firing a round of 6 arrows in sequence. Every arrow hit the bullseye. And every arrow shaft touched the shaft of every other arrow.
Curl your forefinger against the joint of your thumb, that's the area in which all the arrows hit, give or take based on hand size.
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Post by mangakid19 on Jun 20, 2007 0:40:57 GMT -5
It may be possible to get lost in ones mind, but it will be difficult. All a person has to do is find a way to transport your physical body into the empty space of your mind using some kind of teleportation portal/wormhole, then destroying the link, thus locking yourself in ones own mind. Otherwise, yes, it is just like falling into a coma if you mentally get lost there. Sorry if this isn't within human limits, even though I have read in some places that it is possible to make a portal to [you]anywhere[/you].
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