Re: Are Random numbers random...are we really talk

[Maticolotto]

Hmm. I shamefully don't know all of the terms, but... I am not sure if you do, either. Pseudo-random number generators use the current time they run at as a seed and they make a random number based on it. The reason of this being is because there is practically no way to achieve a totally random number without using a base, a constant. So, since the time, measured in fractions of second, is very dynamic, you can ensure that the numbers will be different every time you run a program that generates one. I think there have been done some tries to find a way to make truly random numbers, but I'm not sure of the way. In any case, for psychic applications, as long as you can find a good generator that doesn't stick up with a new seed, it's pretty safe to say that results are a good enough proof. Besides, if you're using your ability in real life, you will also have minor factors, like the shape of the cards, etc. Therefore, while I'm not really updated in this topic, I think the people here are trying to make a way to evaluate those generators. It shouldn't relate much to our psionic experience, I think, however. If you think about it, there aren't any totally random numbers, but then again, maybe that is the cause we can do abilities sometimes.

Ok, that was certainly a long speech. Now I'm not 100% sure of what I said. >>

[JediKaren]

Ouch..too much....headache *head explodes* I'll read in better detail when I'm not about to sleep forever and a day.

[Maticolotto]

Hmm... [topic borders limit of logical thinking on my head] I'm trying to understand what you are saying... you're talking about a group of people who RV the moon, and then pick a random number, and for some reason, the number three comes out more times than others.

Firstly, one of the ways I interpret what you are trying to ask is that you assume that those "random numbers" are just thought up by the people that RV. However, if they are thought by people, they are simply not random either. For example, try to think of a random number immediately. Probably, it'll take some seconds, and then you'll find a number, let's say number 2. You think another number, but then you suddenly think "I have just thought up of 2. I can't do something like 1, 3 or even 2 again, so I'll do something that's more far, like 7." Then you pick 7. Or, if you are playing against someone else and you don't want him to guess, you might pick the number 2 again, because he would hardly guess it again, and etc. There could even be cases that you pick a certain number because you like it over the others, or because it hasn't been picked before, or...

As for the persons picking number 3 without true knowledge, it could be anything. Maybe the number 3 is connected to the moon, or written in its surface. Maybe there is some type of TP going around. I haven't been in any of those experiences myself. It could be truly anything, unless the persons who picked the 3 speak about where did they get the 3 from.

[Maticolotto]

Are you saying that when two psions do TP, they are using a special language? That's an interesting concept, but it might not be true in all cases. I think you lost me there, because I don't think that's what you really wanted to say.

[JediKaren]

So, "what is the matrix"?

A movie, that's it.

[JediKaren]

ok after reading it, and reading it and reading it I will admit one thing in that confusing mess of words is true. When doing empathy and telepathy and linking there is a "language". It is simply emotions,thoughts and ideas that have been processed by your brain into a meaning.

[jeremynz]

Well, some online micro-tk exeriments use radioactive decay based random number generators which unless influenced by a person do seem to be random.

[firesea]

i think that your saying that random number generators arent really making random numbers because they must start at a base and must have a way of working out the random numbers, ?
after that im lost