What's worse?

[xpwarrior3]

Which do you think is worse? I'd like to hear from everyone, if that's possible.

Personally I think destroying someone's reputation would be worse.

[JediKaren]

same here.

[lonewolf]

personally, i wouldnt do anything to hurt somone, unless i was joking around, and they knew about it. but even then, you dont get the full brunt. just a hit in the face, or water over your astral self. nothing majour.
as most of you know, im a teadybear, love hugs. id rather hug someone to death, than hurt them, over pointless things...but just dont call me a girl thingy, and you will be fine..

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lonewolf

[xpwarrior3]

What's wrong with hurting people? Especially after they've hurt you?

[Apollo]

Xp loves combat. He is supposed to teach me sometime....

[lonewolf]

when someone hurts you, it is ethicly wrong to strike back. war is diffrent, and there are situations were its not apropiate. but to show something betterment, is alot better than attacking back. fighting is a way of nature, but that dosnt mean we have to use it. there are other ways to make a point or do somehting. fighting should be a last resort.

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lonewolf

[xpwarrior3]

You want to present yourself as the "better man". I agree that fighting should be used as a last resort, but that would only be to preserve human life. When I say hurt I'm talking about the reputation. I'm a telepath and I've dug up some filth from the minds of a few volunteers at the school that I go to.

All they have to do is to make me mad enough and I'll type up, print, make copies and post up their dirty filth all over campus. Is it ethically wrong? Maybe, but I don't care. I'm not causing a clear and present danger, so I've got nothing to worry about. They won't even know its me anyway.

[Apollo]

LOL. Note to self: dont piss off XPWarrior3 (sorry for language)

[lonewolf]

hmmm, interesting argument. the point about making you mad enugh to do something like that, isnt something to be proud of. if you say your a fighter, you learn to controll such emotions so that you have a clear head, letting you emotions controll you, isnt a good idea. why? you could do something you could regret, you could hurt someone that wasnt even your target, you can end up hurting yourself. the list goes on. keeping a cool head, in my eyes is more impressive than going around and posting others 'filth' all over campas.

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lonewolf

[xpwarrior3]

Man, I love a good debate.

Now let me outline a few things. Don't get me wrong, but you're bringing up some really interesting points. 1) I never said I was proud of what I do when I'm mad enough, but some things are just done. 2) I am a fighter and controlling my emotions is a big part of that, and I do that. 3) I am never in favor of hurting someone has that nothing to do with the conflict at hand. That in my eyes serves no purpose; It doesn't make a statement.

4) "keeping a cool head, in my eyes is more impressive than going around and posting others 'filth' all over campas." That is a very interesting point of view. (I separated this outlined point from all the others because I like it.)

Now we're talking about reputations here. I am not the person to fight people physically unless you've overstepped your boundaries with me. By that I mean that you have constantly annoyed me and then you resort to physically abuse as in pushing. Then I warn you once to stop, then a second time. (I never give three warnings...I don't see the use in that. It's too lenient.). After that if you continue I will be forced to settle it through a talk, if you don't want to talk then I'll annoy you until you resort to hitting me. ( I love using this tactic). Then after you've hit me, I'll then fight you.

Back on to the topic though, we're talking about reputations. If I go around and attempt to destroy someone's reputation then I am really annoyed and angry. Me physically fighting you is not as important to me as me destroying your reputation. So I would have to be extremely angry to want to destroy someone's reputation rather than physically hurt them.

Now let me ask you this question. Which is more important, ethic or law?

[lonewolf]

Ethic or Law

the importance of 'ethics and law' is that they both go hand in hand, ethics are based on social outcomes, for eg. it ethical to help the lady cross the street. Law is based on these ethics and the ethics to defend incent and prove the guilty.

when you say what is more important, you can really chose. however is some situations, 'your' ethical views would and can clash with law, so what is beter? None, Ethics and law are based on a perspective veiw to make things better, or to improve the existing views. Like today, we dont hang someone, we just shoot them. or let them die in a cell. Would you call the ethical? or just Law?

All ethics and law is based on someones or peoples views, weather right or wrong. Either to controll or cause havok. Yes walking a lady across the street is a type of control. Why? becuase its based on a system of 'ethics' aka 'veiws' that you should help her across. How do you know that the person or persons who made this kind of controll viable for the future? thats why laws and ethics change.

Ethics and Law change because, there is iether no longer a better view and need changing, or somehting becomes obsolete. Iether though time or technoloy. Why shoot someone with an ak, waste 40c when you can zap someone with electricisty provided by the sun?
ethics and law also change, becuase peoples needs and wants change. not only for the good but also the bad.

how can you simply ask which is better?

[xpwarrior3]

You gave me the answer I was looking for. So with that said, it really doesn't matter how I feel. What matters is what I do and the outcome. Hmm, well. I have nothing else to say. I'd say you've won this debate.

EDIT: I would like to say though, that destroying someone's reputation carries more weight than physical abuse in the long run (depending on the degree). That is what I've been trying to get at. In a way, you've backed what I said initially. Destroying reputation carries more weight.

[firesea]

very interesting debate, anyway, i feel destroying someones reputation is worse in some ways because pain fades, maybe it could take a Long time yes, but it can be overcome, stopped. But destroying their reputation can affect them for a very long time- even if they do find more friends inside will hurt them emotionally and mentally, and these effects can take along time to heal.

[JediKaren]

I personally feel that the whole reason why psionics have such a bad name is the morons out there that use their powers to ruin it for everyone else. Also all those fakes you see on tv seriously don't help our reputation because the fakes show how easy it is to well, fake it. There's enough fear out there about psionics and our abilities because much of it is unknown. So when the jerks or fakes go in the spot light and fool around it creates wrong impressions about psionics, thus ruining what is true.

Even tv shows and movies, now of days are destorying what is true. Any fictional works aren't helping us because the authors don't do their research and create their own ideas on how telepathy and telekinesis works. Also tv and movies are teaching people to fear psionics because these abilities are used to harm others or destory things. This highly annoys me because then I have to listen to all the really new newbies ask if psionics could move a truck into the air and toss it into their house or something.

[firesea]

my god! if someone asked me that......... anyway.
How do these people even no what its like? when making a TV program about something new they usually go experience it first so they can make it as best as they can, but it goes into the supernatural and they wont even try it! grrrr, your right jedikaren! This sucks.......ah well its up to us decent lot to prove them wrong!