Mind Control

[xpwarrior3]

How and why is it wrong to control someone period? People use people everyday. People use what they have to get ahead in life. Mind control is just another gift. Use it to get ahead in life. Use it to control people's minds and get what you want. There is nothing wrong with using mind control. I can't see your point at all. You're most likely thinking about ends of this ability and not the means.

[Female_Jedi_Master]

No simple matter of the fact is that the rest of you are thinking about this ability as a tool of revenge or some kind of joke. When in truth and fact its not the case. I am not as young as I may seem.

For one people who control people isn't the case we has human beings have the CHOICE! To want to be controlled or not.... There is NOTHING saying others control others or use them. If you want to be used then your mind will make it so. We as people only roughly use if at most 20% of our brains. Mind you that’s not a lot seen at how much WE could do. Therefore there is ONE reason why it is wrong.

Second one is that we as a race of people have come to see that others are no more then tools is just plain wrong! We are all equal! No matter race gender or color!

Third ITS NOT A GIFT its a darkside ability USED by the darkside to gain control over those they use to use in means of a greater gain. Don't say I don't know what I am talking about because I do... I spent 5yrs in the darkside and never knew.

Forth everyone mind set in this group is shocking expect jedimaster and Karen! They are the ONLY ones who see that wisdom must be used before abilities! If you want to focus all your attention on them fine, but I can say this no greater understanding will come of them if you continue to treat them as such.

Mind control final standpoint totally and in NO WAY not worth any practice or understanding! Inless you are of the darkside. Those that truly have a good heart and a soul of understanding, peace and calm will understand this. I am sorry to say this but some people in this group of a lot more growing up to do before they will see that using wisdom to help others and using the abilities that we have inherited to help others is the true reward.

[JediKaren]

good post with good arguements. I think the reason for people not knowing about when or why to use mind control or not is because this. Mind control in some senses is an unknown ability. It's too advance for newbies to have a chance of doing it. For the advance psi users most don't bother with it because it's considered a form of attack. Now some people like me, can and have done it and truely understand why it's a form of attack. But I only choose to use it to help my cats and I don't do it very often. I mostly do it just to keep my hand in the skill, but I don't abuse it. Abusing it is where you use mind control to only help you or just for your amusement.

[Aiden]

So, Hidden_Truths_Are_In_The_Soul, you believe that any one of us that have used/will use are either of the Dark Side or have not a mind and soul of peace, understanding, and calm? I must disagree whole-heartedly.

I'm surprised you say that you only agree with Karen and jedimaster, while almost all of us either said we used Mind Control for helping others, or said it was only OK in certain situations (Karen included).

I personally only study for the protection of others, please explain to me HOW this is wrong, not simply that it "is". I would agree with you on the whole, "It's a Dark Side ability" thing, if you were talking about the cases where we used it in anger, revenge, and spite. Otherwise, for cases like protection, healing (It plays in healing), etcetera, I'd have to disagree.

I must disagree with you on another point, it's a proven fact we use ALL 100% of our brains, we just don't use all of the brainpower. PLEASE show me where we said that any person, despite race, gender, age, or color, was less than any other being? We NEVER said that, and I see no way that plays into this.

Also, some may have growing up, but YOU do also. Again, almost all of us have stated we use this ability and our wisdom/knowledge of it to HELP people. Why are we so wrong then? Why do you state that we are all wrong when we are helping people?

Why, in the beginning of your "argument" did you say we were ALL using this as a joke or as revenge tool? I would advise you actually READ some of the posts before judging.

[Female_Jedi_Master]

I am standing by what I said... my age may say 21 but age has nothing to do with it... it's all about how much effort and training one has put into it.

I don't care if you help people ITS still wrong... you are in a sense taking away someone free will and where is that right... as to using mind control in healing your wrong! Healing only work if the person your healing belives it will work. In no way are you telling them it will or else! I should know I have healed and I was unsure of my self for my first try but my freind believed an had faith I would do it.. thats why it worked!

Its still a dark side trait no matter how you try to make it in your mind its ok... all and all in the end its not!

[xpwarrior3]

dreamsarewishes said:

We as people only roughly use if at most 20% of our brains. Mind you that’s not a lot seen at how much WE could do

We use 100% of our brains. Ask a licensed neurologist.

Also. I never said anything about "helping" people. You are inferring that we are thinking of this specific ability as a tool of revenge or some kind of joke, because that's how it is mainly viewed as. I don't see it as a joke, or a tool of revenge, unless I want to get revenge for something someone has done that affects me (and it takes a lot to affect me).

Oh, people do use other people to get ahead in life. Politics is a good example to start with. If you've studied American Politcal History, then you'd know about the different Politcal scams and scandals that went on especially during the 50s and 60s. Politicians used immigrants to gain political office. Regardless of whether or not someone knows that they're being used, they're still being used.

Who says we're not equal? Who says we're not tools either? We each have our own unique skills. I may have something that you don't and it could be something that you need. Why not use my skill to help yourself get ahead? Or would you rather wait until God knows when, just for you to acquire something that you may have no chance of ever getting except through me? (just an analogy).

What makes this ability dark? Just because it someone uses it like they would use any other skill, but they don't use it the way "you" or the majority think is right?

So fine, I'm of the darkside then.

[nojix]

i think practicing it on unknowing people is a bit evil but if you are gonna practice it why not do it with a friend tell him/her im gonna make you do something then when you get good tell him/her to try and resist it.

[xpwarrior3]

That's a way to go around practicing it.

[jedimaster]

We use 100% of our brains. Ask a licensed neurologist.
quotes xpwarrior

Well then those licensed neurologist disagree with the modern scientific view then which they conclude as 20% of actual brian activity, granted it is spread out between neuro pathways but 20% none the less.

the concern over mind control is quite simple:

Just because you control one person for a positive result for them doesn't mean you will not be tempted to use it in a negative way the next time

The view that mind control can be a good thing is totally false. Power over others is a dangerous thing, power in general always is but power over others is worse because they simply do not have the ability to stop what is happening to them. whether it's good or bad. The power od decision always rests with the other person not you....if you force them to do something they don't want but you do no matter what that is you are as bad as any DarkSider

[xpwarrior3]

"The power od decision always rests with the other person not you....if you force them to do something they don't want but you do no matter what that is you are as bad as any DarkSider"
----- I didn't understand that.

"Just because you control one person for a positive result for them doesn't mean you will not be tempted to use it in a negative way the next time" -
----- Of course. What you've said is true. Still, regardless.... what does that have to do with a person individually. You seem to be speaking collectively for everyone. Everyone is tempted to do something that the majority or that some people consider to be "negative". Hmm... If I'm reading that right. Then you are saying that you yourself are easily suceptible to walking into the "Dark Side". So why do you strive for a goal that is unachieavable?

"The view that mind control can be a good thing is totally false."
---- False? Mind control is a good thing to have. Or is it false because your Jedi ways see it as false or as something of the "Dark Side"?

"but power over others is worse because they simply do not have the ability to stop what is happening to them. whether it's good or bad"
---- Oooo.... I can argue this one very, very well. Power over people is not bad what so ever. Point blank. Simply that. Who says that people don't have the ability to stop or resist other people's mind control. Now think about it from a human standpoint, rather than that of a Jedi. Do you, as a human, actually care for the benefit of humanity or for the advancement and prosperity of your lineage and your offspring and their offsprings etc.?

[JediKaren]

For arguement sakes I want to talk about this:
Parents use mind control all the time. Ok, so they don't use the Force, but they sure lecture their kids about what they, the parents, thinks the kid should believe, do and feel. Many parents force their kids to uphold the beliefs of the parent? Isn't that mind control? Many of us believe in god(s) because our parents told us there was a god and forced us to respect this god. Isn't that mind control? And if you agree with me and are are against mind control, then why do we, as a society allow it?

Also on the note of Jedi. For those who are reading this arguement, please understand ever Jedi has their own belief about the "Force" or what psionics call "psi" or "energy". Craig (JediMaster), in my opinion hates control of others in all ways. I, on the other hand feel a certain peace knowing there is control. Niether of us are "right", but we bring up good points and our beliefs come from our expriences.

[nojix]

jedimaster said:

The view that mind control can be a good thing is totally false. Power over others is a dangerous thing, power in general always is but power over others is worse because they simply do not have the ability to stop what is happening to them.

That is false I practice martial arts and I have the power to break limbs, snap wrists and smash faces but I dont but if someone was attacking me then i have the right to so whats different about stopping them before damage is done? Power can be bad but it can also be good, are you saying that a godly beeing is evil because he has power over us?

[mandapanda]

i can't do it but i think it just depends how you use it, if it's to help someone then fair enough but if you are attacking someone, that's not right and you shouldn't be doing it
from mandapanda =D

[fehoru]

xpwarrior3 said:

How and why is it wrong to control someone period? People use people everyday. People use what they have to get ahead in life.

Because You are not better than me.
Because I'm not better than you.
We are equals, I deserve the right to use my mind, you deserve the right to use yours

Hell, even hitler deserved the right to his own mind... he just made poor use of it, and he shoulda been locked away where the public was safe from him.

If you believe you have a right to a mind that is not your own, just pull out a shotgun and shoot the beast you were going to try to control. If they don't deserve the right to a peaceful mind of their own, Then clearly they don't deserve to live, either.

On a frikkin website to develop your inner mind powers...
I would expect that here of all places would accept how sacred and wonderful a mind really is. Guess I'm fooled.

[rainman]

in a "real" world there are no rules in a fight the best man(or women) wins if its phisicly posible its fair game ...sure there fareness to fight (like not kicking guys in the nuts) but if your getting raped you would do it...i c it as the same thing....lol mind control=nut check lol jk but you get my point