I read an article, me wants opinions ;)

[brandonslau]

OK I read an article people go to a 4th dimension to view the 3rd dimension when seeing the future.basically what I am asking does this make sense?he said to focus on the number 4 and be in a dark room and you will go there.then think x to view left and why to view right??what this sounds like total fluff.can anyone say that this is correct.or just help me explain??

[snowind]

Well I didn't knew about this stuff but let me read about it or do some research and I'll get back to you. Although well, it would seem somewhat right since time is the 4th dimension...

[ismavatar]

Time has been known to be the 4th dimension, although various other theories have suggested other things, but I'll go with Time for this.

To envision the 4th dimension, I find a good way is to envision a timeline - just a 1 dimensional line, and this is the time continuum. Next, place a few spheres/bubbles on the line. These are 3 dimensional representations of a single moment in time, and each will represent the same location in space, but at different moments in time. Thus, as you progress along the time line, you can see the different instances of 3d space.

If you're at all familiar with A Wrinkle In Time, a neat sci-fi book, it also goes a step further and explains a 5th dimension. Imagine time to be the edge of a straight cloth. Now, if you curve the cloth, you curve time. Then, if you touch two parts of the cloth (usually making a horseshoe or Omega sign), time will skip over the entire upper loop, thus enabling time travel. This they called a Tesseract.

I've only been able to use this to speed up and slow down time, but most of my precog occurs in dreams. I've also tried using this visualization before bed to see if it may alter my dreams to better my precog. So far I haven't tried enough to know how well it works.

[snowind]

Well, that's really interesting, and from this, I'm beggining to conclude that maybe the reason many precogs come in dreams is because when we dream, time is relative, it may pass just one minute on a dream and in the real life it's been hours, or viceversa. So going with that, in a dream we would be actually able to bend time, and see much further. That's my opinion at least.

[ismavatar]

You're absolutely correct (and at the same time, that's a very interesting point that I hadn't really considered before). So many times in the past I hit the snooze button on my alarm clock, and I've had dreams that would seem to go on for hours, and then I'd wake up in a panic because I thought I'd overslept. Then I'd realize that it's only been 2 minutes. It really is fascinating how much your mind can cram in to some of those dreams.

As for the short dreams but long sleeps, that's usually a mixture of 3 things:
1) Yes, I'm sure it may distort time a little during the dream
2) You usually only dream during REM sleep, which usually only happens every 90 minutes of sleep. The rest of the time, your brain is largely inactive
3) You actually dream several times during the night. You usually just don't remember most of your dreams. And of the dreams you do remember, you tend to forget them 5 minutes after waking up. Thus why it's handy to keep a pen and paper by your bed, so when you wake up you can quickly write down your dreams.

[snowind]

I know that! I do... well more of a dream sketch book but anyway

[stolide]

Ism, do you have any proof that snowind is correct. Time is relative at all times. What makes it so different while dreaming? How does this difference affect precog?

[snowind]

Well while you dream your mind can pretty much dig into the subconscious... so it would be easier to see through time because in dreams you aren't being held back by a body... you know, and also our mind can act without our control... and it really works in misterious ways, even science don't know yet how the mind really works, so dreaming would be the perfect way to bend time, that's all I'm saying... I actually believe, that every person bends time while dreaming I'm sure it has occured to you as well... wether you are conscient of it or not.

[ismavatar]

Of course I can't prove it aside from my own experiences and the testimonial of others. However, given your statement "Time is relative at all times", this only supports snowind's assertion that "Time is relative in dreams". So if dreams are no different, then they too must be relative, along with time during the awake hours.

Of course, that's not what you were getting at. You were getting at the idea that this may somehow be useful to precog.
Again, I'll use my own experiences and the testimonial of others to help assist the point.
During the day, how often have you been doing something (or not doing something) for just a couple of minutes, and had it felt like many many hours? And I don't mean the figure of speech "I was sitting there for hours", I mean seriously, using your best judgement of time, has 2 minutes ever really felt like it was so eventful (or uneventful) that it had to have taken 6 hours? I'm betting you'd probably say this is rare, if ever.
However, with dreams, we *can* say that, because it happens a lot more frequently and a lot more drastically than in your awake time.

Thus, I conclude, through my own experiences, the testimonial of others, and hopefully any agreements I have drawn from you, simply the point that the time distortion in Dreams should be looked at to see if any psionic tricks can be learned from it for awake-time, and also to focus on these drastic time-bends that occur during dreams to see if they can be utilized within the dream-world (e.g. I do almost all of my prophecy/precog during dreams)

[Lady Takara]

It would help dear if you posted a link to the article. I wouldn't know to much about dimensions. It could make sense to go to another, I've heard that the Akashic Records can tell the future. But again, few have been there.

snowind said:

Well, that's really interesting, and from this, I'm beggining to conclude that maybe the reason many precogs come in dreams is because when we dream, time is relative, it may pass just one minute on a dream and in the real life it's been ours, or viceversa. So going with that, in a dream we would be actually able to bend time, and see much further. That's my opinion at least.

It's true. I've lived an entire lifetime from a dream. I remember reading a story that a man who was poor and had hardly any food (imagine medieval times poor) and then fell asleep. He woke up on the 'other side' where he was a rich man thinking it was all a bad dream. Which one is right? I've always wondered. Sometimes even this life, when I am in my waking moments, sometimes have it's surreal qualities as if I am in a dream. I've actually had dreams where I have become aware of myself and....in those moments, it was like I was awake.

[snowind]

kara said:

It would help dear if you posted a link to the article. I wouldn't know to much about dimensions. It could make sense to go to another, I've heard that the Akashic Records can tell the future. But again, few have been there.

snowind said:

Well, that's really interesting, and from this, I'm beggining to conclude that maybe the reason many precogs come in dreams is because when we dream, time is relative, it may pass just one minute on a dream and in the real life it's been ours, or viceversa. So going with that, in a dream we would be actually able to bend time, and see much further. That's my opinion at least.

It's true. I've lived an entire lifetime from a dream. I remember reading a story that a man who was poor and had hardly any food (imagine medieval times poor) and then fell asleep. He woke up on the 'other side' where he was a rich man thinking it was all a bad dream. Which one is right? I've always wondered. Sometimes even this life, when I am in my waking moments, sometimes have it's surreal qualities as if I am in a dream. I've actually had dreams where I have become aware of myself and....in those moments, it was like I was awake.

Yes, I once had a dream so vivid that I actually thought it had happened to me.

Also one time I had a dream... I only slept for 5 hours but in the dream passed an entire week. An entire week of events. It's just amazing how the mind works.

And to Ismavatar, my precogs also happened mostly in dreams, but now they happen more when I'm awake.

[ismavatar]

This reminds me, an excellent video to see pertaining to Dreams and Awake time, and which one is real, and reality itself, even touching into existentialism. A very artistic and philosophical video and I believe there may have been some aspects of Psi:
The Waking Life.
I watched it myself, and I was knocked out by it (not literally).

But that's a little off topic. But I'm sure you'd all very much enjoy it (and no, I'm not one of their advertisement people, I just really liked it that much. To prove that, I won't provide a link so you'll have to hunt it down)

my precogs also happened mostly in dreams, but now they happen more when I'm awake.

That's interesting, but not too surprising. Nostradamus (if he's at all credible) was said to do most of his precogs during the day as well, by staring into a bowl of water. When I was actively practicing, I too started out with dream precognition. But as I advanced, I noticed that sometimes I'd have a precognition during daydreams (yes, I'm a big daydreamer).

[stolide]

I have never had a dream precog. I have waking precogs maybe every other day. And I agree with you, I justed wanted to see how you are thinking. thank you yet again. You think very logically.

BTW I have had it many times when It has felt like may hours or even many hours feel like a few minutes.

[snowind]

Well I really remember few of my dreams... I know it's a dream precog because when it happens the whole dream triggers and I remember the dream and then the things from the dream start happening.

[sleepyhollow94]

I often do this, having long dreams in short amounts of time. Also, something strange has happened to me only once, but all the same: I was not alseep at all, and I was lying in bed. I was fully conscious. I closed my eyes for about one second, and then I opened them, and it was morning, and I was in the exact same posistion I was when I had first closed my eyes.