Does God Exist?

[brandonslau]

I think there are many gods but few creators.

[ismavatar]

God speaks to everyone regardless if they are an athiest or not.

It wasn't too long ago that a woman killed her two children because she heard the voice of God and he told her to kill them. Google it if it doesn't ring a bell.
And then a month later, a man climbed into a lions cage and stated "If god exists, he will save me." I don't think I need to remind you of the outcome of this one. Suffice it to say, it wasn't pretty.

[The Adfeng]

ismavatar said:

God speaks to everyone regardless if they are an athiest or not.

It wasn't too long ago that a woman killed her two children because she heard the voice of God and he told her to kill them. Google it if it doesn't ring a bell.
And then a month later, a man climbed into a lions cage and stated "If god exists, he will save me." I don't think I need to remind you of the outcome of this one. Suffice it to say, it wasn't pretty.

1. God would never say that. That must be the devil.
2. From the bible, it says clearly, "Do not test thy Lord, your God."

Don't test him. He will save you if you need to be saved. Maybe God wanted him in Heaven.

[Brilenus]

Perhaps neither god nor devil exist except in our minds. People hear voices quite often, but most of them are in mental hospitals. Try to look at things from both viewpoints everyone who is only defending one.

I can see the possibilities of their being a god, multiple gods, a godess, multiple godesses, a mix of gods and godesses, no gods/godesses, various major entities, and more. It is quite hard to defend every one at once though, so I tend to stick with one view per post.

[lrdjoe]

I believe in the possibility of God, by me believing there may be a god while i do this kind of stuff keeps me in check, It keeps me in a neutral state. Thus preventing me from becoming something else.

[ismavatar]

Thus preventing me from becoming something else.

Why would you not want to be something else? Change is life; life is change. When you stop changing, you die.

[lrdjoe]

ismavatar said:

Thus preventing me from becoming something else.

Why would you not want to be something else? Change is life; life is change. When you stop changing, you die.

Not just like normal change, its more like becoming too powerful, loosing control, "becoming evil", things like that, If you don't draw a line as to where is safe it can consume you, I have gone through it before. I became very aggressive, and I am a very passive person and don't even fight, and me all of the sudden being very aggressive, well thats not the kind of thing i would normal do. I am a very calm person. I don't have any problem with what is considered evolution, by making my mind and body surpass what it would be otherwise.

[Amodia]

jj said:

ismavatar said:

It wasn't too long ago that a woman killed her two children because she heard the voice of God and he told her to kill them. Google it if it doesn't ring a bell.
And then a month later, a man climbed into a lions cage and stated "If god exists, he will save me." I don't think I need to remind you of the outcome of this one. Suffice it to say, it wasn't pretty.

1. God would never say that. That must be the devil.
2. From the bible, it says clearly, "Do not test thy Lord, your God."

Don't test him. He will save you if you need to be saved. Maybe God wanted him in Heaven.

*sigh* ... ... sorry.

[hugeknight]

in my opinoin as a muslim i will tell you.
if you are walking in the dessert and see a pile of camel waste,
ask your self would that pile be there if a camel didnt drop it?

so how do we exisit without a creator?
please ponder this thought and if you want to reply pm me and dont be taken abak im ready to answer.

[ismavatar]

But if you see camel dung, and say that a camel must have created it, then don't you also have to ask who or what created the camel? If God (or Allah, or Yahweh) created Man, then who created God?

[lilmoe15]

ismavatar said:

But if you see camel dung, and say that a camel must have created it, then don't you also have to ask who or what created the camel? If God (or Allah, or Yahweh) created Man, then who created God?

As humans we will never know.All we can do is try to cope with the fear of what we don't know.

And even as a christian I still try to think about how everything happens for a reason or when I die whats going to happen to me just "death" nothing.

If humans knew everything then their wouldn't be a need for a god.

[ismavatar]

My question is why do we have to stop at God? Why can't we just stop at mankind, or the Camel? If the camel created the dung, then why did a God have to create the camel? Can't we just not know what created the camel? Rather than taking it to the next step, and saying "why clearly God created the camel", but then we have to say "but then who created god?".

Can't you just cope with not knowing by admitting that you don't know? Why do you have to claim that you know, and thus blame it on a god? A loving god that we must fear, apparently, because God will judge us, so fear his judgment, because he can send us to hell. So now we have more fear, so we need to cope with it, so why don't we make another god to cope with that fear - one who created the first one? Why not? Because it's just an infinite loop of making gods who created other gods.

I cope perfectly fine without believing in a God. I'm not afraid of not knowing. I embrace it, as a challenge - a thrill - and I go straight into it and try to find out, because when I do find out, it oftentimes helps improve life, and opens up 10 more questions for me to joyfully research.

If you need to roll a ball down the hill in order to feed your tribe, you don't just say "oh, god will roll it down for me, because I have faith". Quite frankly, your tribe will starve to death before that happens. Instead, you need to take the initiative and say "I don't know why, but for some reason, things can roll down hills. Thus, I hypothesize that if I were to push that ball, it would roll down the rest of the way and feed our tribe". Now you have a hypothesis, so test it with the experiment - stop waiting and give that ball a push. You have control over your own life, not some God which can't even support himself, let alone us.

[pyrokinetic]

Humans fear what they cannot explain. Religion is a cushion for the upcoming of unexplainable events and futures. Death scares people due to the physicla state of a human not functioning anymore. I see religion as a corny, illogical way of explaining life and the world. We say, "Why are we here?" Someone thinks of something cool to say and says, "There's a God." A god is something described as more powerful than us. Guess what. Bears can eat us and tear us apart. Are they God? Snakes have venom that can kill us easily. Are they God? God can do anything. Can he create a rock too big for him to move? No. You will probably say, "That's a human thought that cannot exceed our own mind." Were we not made in God's image and as himself? No, he's perfect, we're not. I see 'perfection' more as a human thought. What do we define as perfect? Hitting someone may seem good in a certian society. Just because you see it as bad doesn't make it evil. Now for satan. If he exists, and temptation is his tool, then why is God hidden in the Bible? It makes you seem stronger and able to 'live for eternity'. Is this not a power among others? Satan uses things that make you seem stronger. Asking 'why?' is only a person taking what they have and making it more complicated. Why complicate things? Because human thought is only what we have made it to become. Hitting is good. Death is good. Shooting people is good. Why do you see it as bad? Good and bad are made up things by humans. Everything is nothing. Only what we make it.

[draiff]

I was raised to believe in God and I will until the day I die. The key word is "believe" and it is my opinion that as humans we will never know anything for sure, that is why I will never dismiss anything I hear or read.

So here is the rest of my "belief"
Since I joined this community less than a week ago and have realized in that time that Psi is real, I have been realizing another thing: trying to get people to believe in Psi is a lot like getting people to believe in God. For example...

Someone says, "I don't believe in Psi or any of that telekinesis crap, how can you prove it exists?" Then you respond, "Because I have felt and seen it."

Now take that conversation but now we are talking about God.

Someone says, "I don't believe in God, no one has ever saved me or helped me out. How can you prove He exists?" Then you respond, "Because I have felt Him and heard him speak to me."

It is this view that is giving me a hard time of hearing Psions criticize someone that chooses to believe in God, while they would think poorly of someone that chooses not to believe in Psi. Both are actually very radical concepts, especially when you haven't been exposed to it your whole life.

The other point I would like to make is that I do agree with what people are saying about how organized religion has a trend of corrupting mankind. To further make my point let me show you a quote (as well as a personal point of view) from one of my favorite movies, Kingdom of Heaven:

"I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of God. I've seen too much religion in the eyes of murders. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness." And now for my absolute favorite line in any movie which sums up my ultimate belief in God, "What God desires is here (points to Balian's head) and here (points to Balian's heart) and what you decide to do every day will make you a good man...or not."

I think the problem with religion comes from the fact that they were created by man.

I think the reason people choose not to believe in God because when they ask for help they expect Him to do all the work, God can only guide us. The other reason (as I have read from above posts and I completely understand your feelings) is because when people ask for help they don't get what they ask and got something worse than they feared. I have a personally experience with just such a situation but I realized something from it.

(I have never told anyone this before so please bear with me if it seems...difficult to understand) In my freshman year of High School I would constantly ask God for guidance and I would follow is advice to the letter. Well things got bad for me, I lost all but two of my friends, my parents and I hated each other and well...things were bad. In short by following the advice of God I was led to a massive depression that lasted for 2 long, potentially suicidal years (btw, I am not saying I have had the worst life ever or that I that none of you could know what I have been through, I'm just stating that these two years were very difficult."

And do you know what I did? I kept praying and I kept asking for his guidance and admittedly things didn't get any better, not right away that is. Eventually my life got better things happened that made me so grateful for everything I had...my friends were back, my parents were proud and I made the best realization ever.
In order for good things to happen, bad things have to happen to. (This belief always reveals the fact that if I didn't believe in God than I would be Taoist Balance is a big thing with me, as is nature.) I realized I had to go through all of that hardship to come out in the end a better person. God guided me to this outcome and he is still guiding me. Will I face hardship again? You bet. Will I trust God to help me pull through once again? You bet.

Finally I just want to say that no matter what you believe you have supported what you think wonderfully. (I don't know if my opinion matters but hey, I still feel like typing ) Contradiction and varied beliefs are just one more thing that helps to balance the world.
There are a lot of great people on this forum

[Boldylocks]

draiff, I couldn't have said it any better! :-)