Few Questions!

[firesea]

when astral projecting can others take over your body? if you allow them? or if they decide they would like to?

[JediKaren]

they can't take you unless you let them while are you aping. Now when you aren't aping, yeah your mind can be taken through force.

[oath]

Yep, just like Jedikaren said.

The reason is that you dont actually leave your body. At least not all of you. Its a split in consciousness, even though most are unaware of it. Robert Bruce talks a lot about this in his book astral dynamics, I can attest to this, and Had experienced it before reading it. A good example that most can relate to, but not so extreme as it can be, is when you might be dreaming or just going into astral and you can feel your body still, even though it seems you are outside of it. I think this has a lot to do with how close you are. Ive often enough put part of my consciousness into other people and objects as well, feeling and somewhat even BEING that thing for a period of time, not fully, but its a good experience and good to practice as well. This is also a good way and technique to use when healing, would reccamend asking for permission first on people though

[xpwarrior3]

Regardless of whether or not you allow someone, you're body cannot be taken over (depending on your level of sensitivity and the strength of the possessor).

[oath]

xpwarrior3 said:

Regardless of whether or not you allow someone, you're body cannot be taken over (depending on your level of sensitivity and the strength of the possessor).

I dont quite understand what you are saying, but from what I have seen, including *personal experiences, if you allow to them to come into you, they will, usually. having minimal control at first. From here on out, they will fight you, on the inside, instead of the out, to try and gain more control usually, of you. Some are more vulnerable than others, which I imagine is what you mean by sensitivity, not only that, certain states and practices may make you vulnerable, but most of the time its not worth the bother to worry. The negs are the worst when there is many of them, when theres just 1 or so, they are pretty easy to handle, most of the time. I've a friend who sometimes talks as if there may be 20 or 30 negs in him, there is nothing to fear though, looks can be deceiving. Humans, who look soft, feel soft, and act soft most of the time, are much much stronger than any neg and most full fledged demons. Ive gotten into a battle with a goetic myself when I was just beginning and still won. I suppose what Im saying is, its important to realize that your potential is infinite, as you are what you are and only you can change that.

Just some babbleings

[firesea]

Very true, evrey bit of it- from my observations your body can be took over if you allow it to, i just wondered what everyone else thought.

[oath]

Yes, I would have to say its a matter of choice. All is choice, or better yet, free will. We choose our perceptions, we choose what we do, we choose everything. We excercise our will.

I then have to say, That everything that happens to us, is our own faults one way or another. Its not the goverments, its not society, its not your parents, its not god, and it isnt your neighbors dog. Its you, all you

The only real thing, the only thing that matters... That is really real, is choice. DECIDE!

More babbleings

[xpwarrior3]

Well.. I can understand what you're saying, but I've never witnessed a possession before.

[firesea]

it doesnt look like much, if there already out of body then (depending on control) they should just move and talk etc and do the beings wishings that has taken over them, if they are not aping thne theyll just faint and then the being will be there not them. This i feel is an extreme case, the being and the person was extremely close and the being was allowed almost full control.

[psisolodier]

Heres a question with some dramatics but still a good one.ok you try to ap for months but cant so you ask someone highly skilled at aping to ap to your house then pull your astral self out of your body could this be done?

[lonewolf]

Short answer, Yes. It is posible. Long answer is yes, but there is some veribles you have to consider. The person who you are going to 'pull' there astral self ready to be taken to the astral? Are they base aware (have no clue nor know nothing about spirit, and things related to it) unaware (they know about it, but chose not to acisicate to spirit, and things related to it) aware (primary everyone you see on the forum and people who goto other furom and or are activly into spirit, magic, psi etc) Then you have to consider are you ready to pull the person out? ( do you know how to, SAFELY. Can you aply a huge arount of concentration, fucos and proper intent. Are you an experinced traveler. ( you only pull people out for a reason, mainly showing them a certian place)) Dose the person know they are going to be pulled out? (ITS very important you let the person know that you are going to proform it. Make a sutable time for both of you, so that the person is in a meditative state or asleep).

Remember, starting out with the best intentions could harm the person. Make sure you understand the consiquences of your actions, why you are doing it.

PLEASE, DONT try it if your not experinced, PLEASE dont try and be a hero. You could harm your friend and yourself.

I know it can be done, because i have done it to a few people. Im not going to do it to and for anyone, These were special times and as much fun as it is to show people around, its still best left upto there own to find/figure out how to leave there body.
I have also noted that the people who i 'pulled' out, they couldnt recall anything. They were asleep at the time of me 'pulling' them out.

NO personal request, i will not look apon it very friendly.

I have take a few people to the astral concisly, like firesea mentioned in her logs. i have also done this with lilly who is a member here also. I find this the safest and quickest way to introduce people to the astral. I do this all the time with people aross the internet (obviusly if i trust you) and its the same way i met karen the one time in the temple.

I sat here at the computer with my eyes open and projected to her. All you do is aply the same method to when you are lieing down. Like firesea mentioned, its mental projecting. That is sorta correct, its called astral sight. Its the main way to see in the astral, you see in your mind.

Iam willing to show people the astral concisley, if you request it. but IF you ask, please have some knowlage about my artical and have tryed the "how to". You will understand when i show you.

with that said, good luck.

your friend
lonewolf

[firesea]

Im glad someone asked that question- i have asked others to pul me out of my body but either it never happened or i couldnt remember- what i find odd is they said they would but ever since then i never spoke with them again so...i dunno what happened. What Lonewolf says is all true and anyone attempting this should be aware of the consequences of their actions.

[psisolodier]

So you are willing to show people um ive read viturealy everthing on aping browsed through your logs and tryed before what else would you requier?

[firesea]

i heard that if you die in the astral you are taken back to your body ( cause its just your consciousness), but what if your soul is killed or something? would you die???

[psisolodier]

Yea is it posiable to get stuck in the astral?