affecting the astral (lone wolf)

[psisolodier]

Hey wolf I know you can do it Can you karen?Um I heard it depends on your t.k skill or sensitivity or bla bla bla but To what extent can you do.Like could you opperate a computer turn a light on?Draw on a chalk board ?How long did it take you to be abel to affect things is it in real time like turn a light on go in the next day and its on?

[JediKaren]

Umm I've never done anything like that, but I'm weak in tk and such.

[jeremynz]

One time I ap'ed to the local library and read part of a book, then when I went there in real life to check what I'd read the book was on the floor, but I can't be sure if it was there because I pulled it off the shelf or if someone else was reading it.

[xpwarrior3]

Tele/Psycho-kinesis isn't that ability you'd use to affect the astral realm. What you need is energy manipulation. Tele/Psycho-kinesis are skills that imply affecting/changing of physical matter and energy.

psion14, what your saying incorporates a few other abilities besides astral projection. You're talking about mixing remote viewing, tele/psycho-kinesis (which is rare in the case of astral projection), pre-cognition, etc. What you're talking about isn't one single ability, in this case astral projection). What you're talking about is complexity.. few psions have that kind of coordination and skill level.

I have never met anyone who does.. I know people claim, but I've never met anyone. Also, with going into the next day.. usually that's only just precognition.. the person actually thinks they are astral projecting, but its just precognition, because they're viewing things from a 3rd person's point of view.

[lonewolf]

hmm very interersting. a few months ago i went looking for a sutible answer into why and how.
I have a little clue into how, but no idea into why i can do it. I know of a few people who can do it, as i learned off one of them. Altho it wasnt direct teaching, as he never actually told me how, i had to find that out for myself.
It came down to a few things;
one being you can project into realtime. in other words, into the physical plane aka obe. but that isnt enugh on its own, and its not strait obe as you are projecting conicsouly and to a greater extent
second you need to know how to project your energy body. it would seem that if you dont, the success of such manipualtion wouldnt work.

altho i found that much out, it still seemed to be a futile attempt to find some solid evidence that those two things could acually do it. It was noticed on several attemps and from questions aimed at others that you can also make noises, flicker lights etc with just the mind. Altho i have made no attempt to understand the relationship between just making noises to writing and even throwing things. I would presume that the two abilites i stated above would concure with the more advanced ideas of affecting the physical.

in the cases that i could acctually do it i used several abilites. projection; the energy body, and the ethnic body*or astral body*. remote vision or third eye veiwing * also linked to astral sight, seeing with the mind*
my intent and will would be the strongest factors, as well as how well you can do the abilites.

Im a natural projector, and have been for a long time. i was born with an unsualy strong energy body, too. but it would seem that words can not desribe how to actually pull off affecting the physical.

the interesting thing that will make you think a little harder. Each time i projected to colins school and wrote something onthe black baord, i manifested the chalk into my hand. And each time colin would say "you keep using a diffrent coloured chalk to what we have in school, all we have is white"....
that left me with several questions, where did i get the chalk and if i manifested it into another plane, how was it affecting this plane.

I later found that i was indeed manifesting it into what ever plane i was projecting to. The only thing i can think of why it can affect the physical plane, is 1 im projecting into the physical plane also known as realtime projection. Or 2, the intent of such acctions were causing the affetcs because of the high level of concentration. it could also do with the fact the high amounts of energy that were focused into one spot, transfering from me though the 'manifested' chalk to the black board.
Again, you could just say you were using your mind.
think about that, just like XP said

few psions have that kind of coordination and skill level

regardless of how someone could do it, that would aply to greatly to the skill required to pull this off. It took me about 3 weeks to get some results and that was only knocking, it took me a further one week to start writing, switching off lights etc.

Throwing that stick or book.
As i have mentioned in my logs, colin has throw a stick *that was aimed at my boss -_-* but landed between us. the senario, 200 sqm 3 people. the boss is to my left and were facing the outside and facing the spray both, the 3rd person is in the both. A stick came from a direction were there were no people, and to top it off it was coated in laquare from the both. that and i saw colin doing it -_-...

I have also been able to throw a book at colin teacher, why? he was being a butt hole. But this time i did it while i was alseep. the other times i have done something was awake and colin had to wait till he got to school.

Either way, i can tell you this. THERE is nothing, NOTHING else on this, and no one it seems has even tryed or attempted such things. IT is extreemly hard on the body and mind, it will leave you equasted due to the high levels of concetration and energy required. but like everything the more you do it, it easyer it becomes..

i havnt dont anything like this is a while so the strength has faded a little.
i could also note that i have no idea how to tell the diffrent planes apart. the obivouse though ist he higher planes to the lower planes.. but i have no solid evidence to say its the realtime or astral plane.

well what you do and what you think is upto you.

your friend
MasterWolf

[psisolodier]

Ok,cool guy's thanks.Your going by master wolf now?

[lonewolf]

yeah, the name is more sutable..

your friend
MasterWolf

[xpwarrior3]

I can affect an assortment of things on the physical through the astral (maybe because of the way I view astral projection). Anyway, I create more mental affects. I have never been able to affect physical objects. I've created mental illusions from the astral realm. The point I'm trying to make is that it takes a great deal of practice, and for someone to be adepth in psionic coordination, which takes time to have down.

Remember one thing though, if you cannot directly create a certain psionic affect, don't expect any of your constructs, or astral doubles, or energy doubles (whatever you want to call them) to be able to do that. No matter how cool and easy a psychic skill sounds, there's always work to it, and you can't do everything.

[lonewolf]

well its true that hard work pays off. most of the things that i can do i have stumbled onto just mistake. I think its posible for anyone to learn anything. Of corse it depends on there starting skill, and how long they work at it. THere are also alot of other veribles that have to be conisdered. Say you wont to make a force bubble, you need two skills; energy manip and telek'. the idea is you grow ontop of your egsisting skills to open up new ones.

i made a wish to show humanity the human potentual to its fullest extent. Nothing is going to stop me to show people ways of doing things or the posablities, even though they are endless.

but i dont think in this current state of humanity that very many people could even do the things we can do. Life is a challage, glad im here ^_^

your friend
MasterWolf