"Real" time zone?

[IWannaBeSedated]

From what I've learned(and not from direct experience) the real time zone isn't actually the real time zone. Many people say that for confirmation, one can leave a playing card face up while not looking at it, project, and see what card it is. So, everything has a double in the etheric plane, right? Well, is there a way that you can project and see what's happening in the physical in real time?

[ccey88]

hmm,...maybe it is possible and maybe is not depends on the skill of the psion.No comments.

[Barriss Offee]

This is not only possible but happens every time you project... For example, I once projected to my friend's house and saw exactly what he was doing at the time. (For the record, he was slumped on his bed, playing "Knights of the Old Republic" on his X-Box.) I called him later to ask for confirmation of the details, and everything that I had seen was exactly what he was doing.

[Darin Rosewood]

Actually, Edward, that doesn't "always" happen. You're thinking of an EP (etheric projection) which is on a copy of the physical plane and in realtime. The astral, on the other hand, is by-and-large displaced from the physical on a ratio of about 6:1 (i.e. 1 hour in the astral==about ten minutes in the physical), although there are exceptions depending on the area you're visiting. By the way, didn't you say earlier that you couldn't project at all? If you somehow managed it in the last ten minutes, congratulations! ^_^

[psyked]

from what i have learned there is not time in the astral plane
and ive read that when you project in the etheric plane it is realtime whatsoever im not really sure...

[Barriss Offee]

Sorry Darin, you are right about the whole etheric projection / astral projection thing. No, it was not that I was unable to project at all, since I have managed to do it a few times in the past, but they each occurred without me using any sort of induction technique or anything.

[The Adfeng]

I have astral projected once, but I'm going to try to Etheric Project. I don't know if I'll be able to, there's a common way to do both, I guess. It must be the same, but just be willing to etheric project.

[slavik101]

i seem to find myself confused between etheric projecting and astral projecting

they are both astral projections aren't they, just one is to the etheric plane, which is apparently the lowest plane, so wouldn't that also mean that its easier to project to etheric plane being the lowest one?

[odbod]

You mean they are both 'projections'.

I've always thought of it this way:

Your astral body is more of the body that is active during your dream states.
Your ethereal body is more of the body that is active during a lucid dream, since you can feel and interact with the many things of your dream. Hence, the ethereal realm is much more adjacent to the physical realm.

But, I think it's difficult to get to either realm, I'm always having a hard time.

[slavik101]

ahh

how long have you been learning to ap for?

[psyked]

odbod said:

You mean they are both 'projections'.

I've always thought of it this way:

Your astral body is more of the body that is active during your dream states.
Your ethereal body is more of the body that is active during a lucid dream, since you can feel and interact with the many things of your dream. Hence, the ethereal realm is much more adjacent to the physical realm.

But, I think it's difficult to get to either realm, I'm always having a hard time.

Thats kinda weird because dreaming and lucid dreaming are the SAME thing the only difference is that in a lucid dream you are conscious that your dreaming.

in my point of view your using your astral body when you dream/lucid dream.

[The Adfeng]

Also, when you are lucid, you can control your own dreams.

[Fearn]

slavik101 said:

i seem to find myself confused between etheric projecting and astral projecting

they are both astral projections aren't they, just one is to the etheric plane, which is apparently the lowest plane, so wouldn't that also mean that its easier to project to etheric plane being the lowest one?

Here's what I understand it to be: AP goes to the Astral plane, and EP goes to the Etheric plane. The Etheric plane is an exact copy of this one, but accessible to your [soul? spirit? Whatever you project].

Then again I may be totally crazy.

Sorry for resurrecting the thread, but I felt that Slavik's question hadn't been answered.

[Amodia]

Etheric projection is when you project to the etheric plane. It's almost exactly the same as this world, the physical plane. Then you have a successful Etheric Projection you will be able to fly with a little practice. You will be able to walk through walls, you will be able to see and hear awake persons.

I find Etheric Projection A LOT more interesting. I mean, Being able to FLY in a world that is just like this one.
See walking, talking people, I mean how cool isn't that. Think of the possibilities, you will be able to retell everything your friend say.
You can see them but they can't see you(I know what you're thinking.. Pervert )

You can go where you otherwise can't, e.g. You can dive underwater and stay there as long as you want because breathing isn't necessary when you're out of body.


Then there's Astral Projection.
At the astral plane there is no solid looking things, just energy, colorful energy.

It responds very well to your thoughts so there isn't a good idea to think about something bad because you will create it. So all those "bad" things is often just a creation of your own mind, nothing to be afraid of.

Like I said, the astral plane responds very well to thoughts so you can create a world with just your thoughts(from what I've read) they call it a Mindscape.

Think of it like an advanced form of day dreaming, or dreams for that matter.
You can create a world of your own.
Because the Astral Plane responds to thoughts you can create what ever you want just by thinking about it.


This is my own explanation, so if you see something that seems odd or something you don't understand. Don't be afraid to ask.

[slavik101]

Amodia hearing that makes me want to go away and try AP or EP right now

the possibilities would be endless, you imagination is your limit in Astral Plane

and i could go on vacation to the tropics without leaving my room in the Etheric Plane

Slavik