Psi and Magick

[empath999]

I've gotten the idea from other articles that magick is frowned upon in the psi community. Well first i wondered why that was but i'm really quite interested in the craft. I really want to learn how to use runes and some of the wiccan things are the same as psionics. But i wondered if i took up some magickal things, would that be socially unaccepteable-in a way- as a psion?

[Fearn]

I don't think that it is frowned on, it's just that psionic sites want to talk about psionics. They don't want to talk about magic, ki, or chi. That's why people don't particularly like to talk about it.

[Brilenus]

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is. Psionics is a form of magic that focuses on a few things that most other forms do not. What is here is more basic energy working than anything else. One of the problems is that people try to separate magic and psionics when magic is just the larger category that contains psionics. From what I have seen, as well as all that I have heard, points towards this being fact.

Experiment and find what works for you, and find your own truths. That is the best way to decide upon things. However, keep in mind that this site does not allow talk about magic, so it is best to not talk about such things here.

[psidan]

Indeed. For that kind of talk go to sites like forums.vsociety.net/index.php. This site allows psionics and magic(k) to be talked about so it is not frowned upon. It's just this site was built specifically to talk about psionics, and some spirit stuff.

[JediKaren]

I also recommend this site, but beware: they expect you to act maturely and take the subject very seriously. You will find most people there are 30-50 years old.

www.theenigmaleague.net/world/index.php?action=forum

[psidan]

Then I guess I am bad bad bad. Do not say something is bad without reasons to back it up. Lots of parents say psi is bad or evil but is that true? No or you wouldn't be here. I could also say that naruto is bad.

[Fearn]

naruto said:

>:-(psi and mage are not the same thing. Psi manipultion of psi energy.Magic is bad. bad bad bad. and by the way your violating the rule

I don't think he is violating the rule. The question wasn't about the practise of magic (although it is turning that way), just why psions don't seem to like it.

As Bril has explained, psi and magic are both energy work. Please do a little study to find why magic is 'bad bad bad bad.'

To everyone else: Just ignore this post. I know it will create a flame war. Just go on and pretend it isn't here. Take up anything else on PM.

[brandonslau]

Well ignorance travels fast these days.. and Bril is right they are both energy work in a nutshell. But they are not the same.

[naruto]

Well im just sayin you will see what i mean when the time comes

[dash]

jeez kid.. stop picking fights.. you'd think someone who believes in psionics would be a little more open minded..

[The Adfeng]

I personally don't believe that psionics is magick. I think they are two different things.

[legatosama312]

naruto said:

Well im just sayin you will see what i mean when the time comes

Sir I don't think anyone will take you seriously, mostly because as your track record shows you fail at life. I'm sorry I couldn't resist. ;D

[zedd]

psionics is not magik mostly because to practice most magik you need to believe and contact some form of gods or spirits. Psionics only needs the will to succeed and the energy and practice to do it. Magik is not in itself evil. The person could use it to do evil just like in psi.

[palimpsest]

There is a branch of magic called Direct Magic, that is very much like psionics. This is my favorite site about it.

But, if I recall correctly, psi originally meant psychic phenomenon like both telempathy and psychokinesis (instead of the energy.) Psionics was a combination of "psi" and "electronics"-- on the hope that one day the only technology we'd really need is our mind.

Magic on the other hand, is mostly traditional instead of experimental, and spiritual in the way that comes with a set of instructions with how you must behave as a person-- that might make it seem oppressive or even untrustworthy to a psion.

I see a unifying energy in both, but I wouldn't want to make people uncomfortable so we'd have to keep in line what's appropriate to mention. So as a psion I concentrate on the mechanics alone... and as an occultist I find more expression in the complexity of the magical systems. But runes, tarot cards, herbs, colored candles etc. would be inappropriate to mention here, because in the view of psionic experimentation these complexities have nothing of worthy contribution: "fluff". Picking a colored candle isn't a psionic skill.

[Mat Ethers]

Palimpsest that sounds about right. Other than the bit about psi and electronics, because the suffix -on means something very similar to the suffix -ist in that it is someone belonging to something in this case psi. Hence we get psion and then we have the suffix -ic it has the job of telling us that it is a category. Hence psionics is the category pertaining to those who practice psi. That's what really gets on my nerves about the common misconception that someone who practices the manipulation of psi is a psionic, becauseto me it makes no sense, the are psions, who practice psionics.

So to sum up psi=the subject, psion=the actor, psionics=the act and the catagory.


Okay now I've had my grammatical rant on to the subject. Of which I don't have much to add, I believe that at it's core it is all just energy. The energy may be the same or it may be slightly different but it is still energy, just the experience it has had in it's life time determine what sort of energy it is. Just like we are all human but the type of human we are depends on our life's course.

The only reason I can see there is a schism is the nature of said energy. As magic is much more spiritual and often goes about it's practises in much different ways. Just like the many Christian churches, at their core they are the same thing. It's just the petty little arguments over the finer unimportant parts that splits it all up.