When we die?

[GEOvanne]

i got a newsletter in my email. and this one tells us what happens when someone dies. and clairvoiant actually looked at the dieing person and saw what happens as the spirit left the body. then he spoke to a spirit and asked what happened. ill paste it here when i find it again

[GEOvanne]

here it is (sory i couldnt just post a link):
This week we will takea look at one of the most profound mysteries
of all - the process known as "death".

By understanding this process, you will better understand how and
why "deceased people return to communicate with or through people
left on Earth, and how we might best communicate with them.

Precisely what happens at the moment of death is one of the most
dramatically interesting and one of the most striking, insoluble
problems in the world today; it remains for us the problem of all
problems, the mystery of the universe, the science of being. One
moment we see a figure before us-a muscular, powerful man, capable
of heroic efforts, great intellectual flights, lofty aspirations,
delivering an oration which stirs the hearts of thousands and
perhaps helps to sway the destiny of nations and change the map of
the world! The next moment he is lying on the floor, a corpse,
lifeless, inanimate, incapable of the slightest thought, the
slightest muscular exertion. He is the victim of "heart-failure."

The Mystery of Death

A second and all has changed! Nothing can now be influenced by him;
nothing is now possible but the gradual decomposition of the body
and its return to the dust from whence it sprang. Could any change
be more profound or more lasting-since it can occur, presumably but
once in all eternity? The slightest anatomical variation in the
man's body-so small, perhaps, that even a microscope cannot detect
it-and we then behold the most mighty change which occurs in
nature, the profoundest of tragedies and wonders! We behold the
transition from the living to the lifeless, we pass from life to
death. What is this change we have seen before us? Can we in any
way understand it? What can we learn? What see? These are questions
over which men have pondered for centuries and which still form the
most fascinating problem in the realm of spiritual inquiry.

Why We Should Not Fear death

Many persons fear death; but they should not do so for the reason
that, on any theory, it is not a thing to be feared. It has been
proved abundantly that, with the exception of very rare cases,
there is no pain at the moment of death and no consciousness of
dying. Both are obliterated by the kind hand of nature. The
suffering which goes before belongs rather to life than to death,
and, in fact, many of those who have suffered from some torturing
disease have died with a smile of happiness and contentment on
their faces. Of the physical body we need think little, since the
spiritual body separates itself from this body after death, and
thenceforward is as unconscious of it as we are of a finger or any
part of our body which has been cut off during life. The human
spirit takes some time to become severed completely from the
physical body, and for this reason it should not be buried or
cremated too soon after death. But with these exceptions, we need
think little of the state of the physical body, since we sever our
connections with it entirely as soon as we pass into the spirit
world. What happens after we have effected this separation is
naturally a question of absorbing interest to many minds, since all
of us have to look forward to this experience.

The statements of clairvoyants and of those "spirits" who have
returned to tell us of their passage into the next life should,
therefore, be of considerable interest in this connection. Let us
see what they have to say.

A Clairvoyant Description of Death

Andrew Jackson Davis, one of the founders of Modern Spiritualism,
a gifted seer, described the process as follows:-" Suppose the
person is now dying, it is to be a rapid death. The feet first grow
cold. The clairvoyant sees right over the head what may be called a
magnetic halo-an etheric emanation, in appearance golden and
throbbing as though conscious. The body is now cold up to the knees
and elbows, and the emanation has ascended higher in the air; the
legs are cold to the hips and the arms to the shoulders, and the
emanation, though it has not risen higher in the room, is more
expanded. The death-coldness steals over the breast and around on
one side, and the emanation has attained a higher position nearer
the ceiling. The person has ceased to breathe, the pulse is feeble,
and the emanation is elongated and fashioned in the outline of the
human form beneath it is connected with the brain. The head of the
person is internally throbbing-a slow deep throb-not painful, but
like the beat of the sea. Hence, the thinking faculties are
rational while nearly every part of the person is dead. Owing to
the brain's momentum, I have seen a dying person even at the last
feeble pulse-beat rise impulsively in bed to converse with a
friend; but the next instant he was gone-his brain being the last
to yield up the life principle.


Formation of the Spiritual Body

"The Golden emanation which extends midway to the ceiling is
connected with the brain by a very fine life-thread. Now the body
of the emanation ascends. Then appears something white and shining,
like a human head; next, in a very few moments a faint outline of
the face divine, then the fair neck and shoulders, then in rapid
succession come all parts of the new body down to the feet-a bright
shining image, a little smaller than its physical body, but a
perfect prototype or reproduction in all, except its
disfigurements. The fine life thread continues attached to the old
brain. The next thing is the withdrawal of the electric principle.
When this thread snaps, the spiritual body is free and prepared to
accompany its guardians to the Summerland. Yes, there is a
spiritual body-it is sown in dishonour and raised in brightness."

How it Feels to "Pass Over"

Hear, again, what a returning "spirit" says, who has passed through
the "Valley of the Shadow of Death" and has apparently returned to
tell us his experiences "When I awoke in the spirit-life and
perceived that I had hands and feet and all that belongs to the
human body, I cannot express to you in the form of words the
feelings which at that moment seemed to take possession of my soul.
I realized that I had this body-a spiritual body. . . . "

"Imagine, if you can, what the surprise of a spirit must be, to
find, after the struggle of death, that he is a new-born spirit,
free from the decaying tabernacle of flesh, that he leaves behind
him. I gazed on weeping friends with a saddened heart, mingled with
joy-knowing, as I did, that I could be with them and behold them
daily, though unseen and unknown, and as I gazed upon the lifeless
tenement of clay and could behold the beauty of its mechanism, I
felt impelled to seek the Author of so much beauty and youth and
prostrate myself at his feet. I felt a light touch on my shoulder,
and, joy unspeakable! I beheld the loved ones of earth, some of
whom had long since departed from the earth plane... and I felt
myself ascending or rather floating onward and upward through the
radiance of space. I saw about me many spirits and their guides
bearing them company through the bright realms of immensity."
Novel Experiences on "The Other Side"

So the human spirit, issuing from the body, gradually rises higher
and higher, and comes into touch and harmony with those about it,
and with those who possess sympathy and mutual interest. As
explained in the chapter devoted to the "Spirit World," it is
highly improbable that there are any physical barriers between the
"spheres," one from another; but they are doubtless separated,
nevertheless, by walls of mental and spiritual origin. If we are in
one of these planes, we must progress upward, before we can reach
or remain with those whom we desire most; and for this reason there
is a "hell," so to say, for those who cannot attain what they
desire which can only be by continual striving upward and onward.
In this, however, they are constantly helped and assisted by spirit
guides and helpers; so that progress is rapid, when it is really
desired and worked for.

How We Turn Back To Communicate

On the lower planes of existence communication with those of Earth
is, it is said, comparatively, easy; but this becomes increasingly
difficult as we ascend in the upward scale. It has often been
pointed out that descending to communicate with those on earth is
something like going down to the bottom of a muddy pool; and those
who desire to go to the bottom of muddy pools are very rare, even
on this earth! Still, spirits moved by ties of love for those left
behind, make the attempt from time to time;-successful or
unsuccessful in proportion to favourable or unfavourable
conditions. This however we discussed in former chapters.

As we progress, we are said to acquire more interest in the new
world; and lose interest in this, just as we gradually lose
interest in one country when we move into another. New scenes, new
interests, and the new environment gradually alter our line of
thought; but just as we are always glad to see a relative or an old
friend from the home town, or the "motherland," so are we most
happy to meet and greet those who "pass over," when their turn
comes to join us in the spirit world.

How We Progress in The Spirit World

After these initial stages have passed, upward progress and
development begin. For many, however, the shock of death has a very
severe effect, especially in cases of suicide and those who have
met with sudden and violent deaths. In such cases these spirits
require some time to recover their normal selves, and have to be
nursed back to health, as it were, on the other side. The same is
true of those spirits who have had their minds affected by some
mental or physical disease. But, after this stage has been passed,
they all emerge into the brightness beyond, and begin their
interest, their instruction, their learning and their progress of
soul and spirit, as well as of intellect which is to occupy them
for ages of time to come. Those who "die" are received and cared
for by loving friends on the other side, just as they were when
they were born into this world. One need have no hesitation nor
fear on this account. Physical birth is a terrible experience, but
we remember nothing of it; and there are always those present who
will tender and care for us.

In the same way, birth into the spirit world through the gates of
death is, in many ways, a terrible shock; yet we are cared for by
loving guardians and received with love and care finding happiness
awaiting us when we pass from this world into the world beyond.

[meep]

Wow that was long (kinda skim read)
Anyway, I remember my friend telling me that
1. Energy cannot be destroyed or created.
2. Humans have energy to do things (eg running talking etc)
3. When people die, where does the energy go to...?
:S V. Confuzzling.

[Amodia]

I believe that we come to the Astral Plane when we die, because almost everyone had said that they've stood in a dark tunnel with a light at the other end, I believe that that tunnel is the Silver Cord that connects the Physical Body to the Astral.

[must]

I just came up with something new:

Maybe were not ment to die.....
an other words what is death? its just not being, complete shut down of the body and we are the body,mind and soul......
we are supossed to be all three forever and ever.....
In other words if you belive in death than it is true and will happen to you. Now im going to quote the bible here, please dont reject reading this cause you dont belive in god or bla bla bla. my interpertation of god is a divine energy source that created more of itself to manifest into this universe and all living things both seen and unseen.....everything is energy.

In the book of Wisdom Chapter 1 verse 12-16:

12.Court not death by your erring way of life,nor draw to yourselves destruction by the works of your hands.
15.Because god did not make death, Nor does he rejoice in the destruction of the living.
14.For he fashioned all things thay they might have being; and the creatures of the world are wholesome, and there is not a destructive drug among them nor any domain of the nether world on earth,15. for justice is undying.

Then on verse 16 the bold letter title says: The Wicked Reject Immortality and Justice Alike:
16.It was the wicked who with hands and words invited death, considered it a friend, and pined for it, and made a covenant with it, because they deserve to be in its possesion.....

Now what i belive is somehow the media and what ever unseen forces have been manipulating us into believing in this death and this aging thing.now energy-[my god] can not be destroyed and is a creative force like are minds souls bodys....so in other words we are creating death and are thoughts and beliefs etc.etc.ect...
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Now in the book of Sirach Chapter 15 verse 17:

17.Before man are life and death, whichever he chooses shall be given him.
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I can go on and on....E=mc^2......Energy-god-us-everthing physical=mass-matter-us-god-everything physical-[times] the speed of light squared....-the speed of light makes energy physical...matter is made up of swirling energy, matter is physical objects.......
is are mind a physical object? no its maybe just energy and so is are soul......unseen energy.
So everthing we see is energy moving it is seen energy and unseen energy.......

[Darin Rosewood]

must said:

I just came up with something new:

Maybe were not ment to die.....
an other words what is death? its just not being, complete shut down of the body and we are the body,mind and soul......
we are supossed to be all three forever and ever.....
In other words if you belive in death than it is true and will happen to you. Now im going to quote the bible here, please dont reject reading this cause you dont belive in god or bla bla bla. my interpertation of god is a divine energy source that created more of itself to manifest into this universe and all living things both seen and unseen.....everything is energy.

In the book of Wisdom Chapter 1 verse 12-16:

12.Court not death by your erring way of life,nor draw to yourselves destruction by the works of your hands.
15.Because god did not make death, Nor does he rejoice in the destruction of the living.
14.For he fashioned all things thay they might have being; and the creatures of the world are wholesome, and there is not a destructive drug among them nor any domain of the nether world on earth,15. for justice is undying.

Then on verse 16 the bold letter title says: The Wicked Reject Immortality and Justice Alike:
16.It was the wicked who with hands and words invited death, considered it a friend, and pined for it, and made a covenant with it, because they deserve to be in its possesion.....

Now what i belive is somehow the media and what ever unseen forces have been manipulating us into believing in this death and this aging thing.now energy-[my god] can not be destroyed and is a creative force like are minds souls bodys....so in other words we are creating death and are thoughts and beliefs etc.etc.ect...
------------------------------
Now in the book of Sirach Chapter 15 verse 17:

17.Before man are life and death, whichever he chooses shall be given him.
--------------------------
I can go on and on....E=mc^2......Energy-god-us-everthing physical=mass-matter-us-god-everything physical-[times] the speed of light squared....-the speed of light makes energy physical...matter is made up of swirling energy, matter is physical objects.......
is are mind a physical object? no its maybe just energy and so is are soul......unseen energy.
So everthing we see is energy moving it is seen energy and unseen energy.......

Quantum physics states that all matter is energy. Theosophy states that the reason we can't interact with other forms of energy is that it vibrates at a different frequency than physical matter. Now, please stop proselytizing on the forums. This is a site about metaphysics, your religion is not taken into account when you visit. No one cares whether you're Christian, Buddhist, or some random neopagan faith. We're here to talk about "psi," not debate theology (as much as I like doing so =P).

[psyked]

I also beleive that we go to the astral plane or stay in the physical plane

[must]

ok
I realy dont care about religion.
Im not telling anyone to believe anything im saying its just my opinion.
i dont even go to church....i believe are body is a church..

[Darin Rosewood]

must said:

ok
I realy dont care about religion.
Im not telling anyone to believe anything im saying its just my opinion.
i dont even go to church....i believe are body is a church..

If you don't want people thinking you're a religion-freak, don't go using the G-word so much. ^_^

[damuragg]

spirit is a conscious energy body right so when you die you will return to the source, the central sun (core) in the earth. then distibuted back out.

[Psy]

Either way, we all know for sure that the process of this is dealing with keeping global energy at a balance harmonic process. The exact energy would most likely still be in existence.

[meep]

Oh gosh this is becoming to philosophical for me--- eg words such as 'global energy', 'balanced harmonic process', 'conscious energy body'....oh my!

*becomes dizzy*

[Darin Rosewood]

It's called "fluff." Don't bother trying to understand them, they're just making up terms. At least when I make up terms I say that it's because I can't think of a real word for a certain phenomenon (and I explain what the term means). If you see stuff like this, 90+% of the time it's just someone trying to make themselves look cool by spouting words no one else understands. ^_^

[must]

Some people say that in the "perfect" afterlife, we would be disembodied spirits, floating around in bliss... If that's "perfect," why would I rather keep my body,my Earth,Universe,and etc... forever? I prefer Being here now and forever,but thats just myself......

;D

[meep]

*starts eating fluff*

Yum, strawberry flavoured fluff