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Post by Fearn on Feb 24, 2008 23:27:35 GMT -5
ok so if its wrong, what about the animals and babies? they can pick up thoughts and stuff and its not what you have, its what you do with what you have. my bishop used the witch doctors we have here (we call them obeha people) as an example, they read palms and do voodoo and stuff like that. he said that their powers are real and God gifted them with it, but they chose to do bad with them, and what God gives he dosnt take back. also, about the idol worship thing, i didnt worship anything to develop my abilities, but there are people that get their abilities through demons, and that is wrong Try to avoid the broad religious statements, like "demons are bad in my religion therefore they are wrong to everyone." |
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Post by ismavatar on Feb 25, 2008 12:00:56 GMT -5
Last I checked, I don't recall hearing about animals going to heaven or having a soul or anything. They're just kinda chillin' here.
As for babies, the general consensus seems to be that you're born with sin.
Ask your bishop if Peter Popoff's powers are real. Peter Popoff, if you're not familiar, was a televangelical pastor who used to channel information about people and cure their diseases and such (which usually involved whacking them broadside the head and knocking them down, along with this whole spiel of "Jesus save her from this disease"). You could argue that he was actually channeling from the devil, because he was of the wrong religious persuasion, but nevermind that for now - the question is whether your bishop thinks people like him are real or not.
What's the actual answer? Peter Popoff was debunked. He was channeling his information not from God, nor from Demons, but from his wife, who was using a radio transmitter to tell him information that she had gathered from the people before they went into the show. This is a common magician's trick and a lot of fake mind-readers like to pull it off.
So if your bishop says that Peter Popoff was real...
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... -- if you fool me, you can't fool me again" (G. Bush)
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Post by brandonslau on Feb 25, 2008 12:47:56 GMT -5
So...If I get it. the babies that were aborted,or died shortly after birth went straight to hell. =/
-Brandon =DD
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Post by ismavatar on Feb 25, 2008 20:12:42 GMT -5
Which is why Christians are opposed to abortion.
Now there's other sects that have this Limbo idea... although I haven't looked into it much. Sounds silly to me.
Either way, I don't buy into the whole Christianity argument.
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Post by brandonslau on Feb 26, 2008 19:01:20 GMT -5
ok so if its wrong, what about the animals and babies? they can pick up thoughts and stuff and its not what you have, its what you do with what you have. my bishop used the witch doctors we have here (we call them obeha people) as an example, they read palms and do voodoo and stuff like that. he said that their powers are real and God gifted them with it, but they chose to do bad with them, and what God gives he dosnt take back. also, about the idol worship thing, i didnt worship anything to develop my abilities, but there are people that get their abilities through demons, and that is wrong how is this wrong? |
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Post by Fearn on Feb 26, 2008 22:11:06 GMT -5
I'm sure he meant 'wrong is his religion.'
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Post by BirdMan on Feb 28, 2008 3:36:05 GMT -5
So...If I get it. the babies that were aborted,or died shortly after birth went straight to hell. =/ -Brandon =DD The bible says all children are innocent, and thus are automatically granted entrance to heaven. Now, where this age limit cuts off, I'm not certain. There's something about them being allowed into heaven until they're aware enough to decide whether they want to accept God or not. |
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Post by brandonslau on Feb 28, 2008 12:30:44 GMT -5
I think it cut off when you are aware of what commiting sin is and conscious of it if you do it.That's what a preacher told me.
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Post by Fearn on Feb 29, 2008 7:38:58 GMT -5
Which would then mean that it's different for everyone. I like that idea, it makes sense.
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Post by GEOvanne on Mar 1, 2008 12:56:16 GMT -5
Ask your bishop if Peter Popoff's powers are real. Peter Popoff, if you're not familiar, was a televangelical pastor who used to channel information about people and cure their diseases and such (which usually involved whacking them broadside the head and knocking them down, along with this whole spiel of "Jesus save her from this disease"). You could argue that he was actually channeling from the devil, because he was of the wrong religious persuasion, but nevermind that for now - the question is whether your bishop thinks people like him are real or not.
What's the actual answer? Peter Popoff was debunked. He was channeling his information not from God, nor from Demons, but from his wife, who was using a radio transmitter to tell him information that she had gathered from the people before they went into the show. This is a common magician's trick and a lot of fake mind-readers like to pull it off.
So if your bishop says that Peter Popoff was real...
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... -- if you fool me, you can't fool me again" (G. Bush)[/quote]
so you saying that witch doctors arent real?
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Post by ismavatar on Mar 2, 2008 16:16:19 GMT -5
All I'm saying is your bishop's opinions should be questionable, because he'll probably say that peter popoff's powers were as real as witch doctors - unless he's familiar with the debunking. Now peter claimed to - and your bishop should agree - channel information from the same location as these witch doctors. He's not a far cry from the witch doctors. Now you can pick and choose, and say "oh, peter popoff was wrong, but the rest of those guys are still right", you can reject them all "peter popoff uses the same methods, and those methods were debunked, which means that the rest are debunked", or you can just ignore the debunking (which would be deluding yourself), which, by the way, is what a lot of people seem to be doing these days because peter popoff, despite losing massive funds after the debunking... is BACK! Now he's selling holy water in little capsules - in fact, he's giving them away for free, and just asks that you send him a donation in return. And people are buying it...
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Post by detrimentaldude on Mar 4, 2008 13:38:51 GMT -5
use psionics to do God's work.
Psi isint wizardry or magick. its a skill which lies dormant in every one.
One just has to wake it up.
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Post by Fearn on Mar 4, 2008 13:54:43 GMT -5
Using the murder analogy. Murder is a skill that lies dormant in everyone as well. You just have to wake it up.
Murder can even be used to do God's work. You see some Muslims praying? Just chop their heads off. You just protected the second commandment. (no one even think about getting mad at me. This sort of logic has been used before, many times).
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