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Post by GEOvanne on Feb 2, 2008 21:11:09 GMT -5
i know that religion isnt allowed here, and i apologise to Karen in advance, but im sure that alot of people dont want to do psionics because religious beliefs (mainly christians), and a few have even left the site because of that.
the question has been on alot of minds but not many actualyl ask the right people, so this is where i give the answer.
As some of you might know, my father is a pastor and my cousin is a bishop. It might seem easy to just ask if all this psychic stuff is wrong or not, but from experience iv found it a difficult thing to ask them about.
My father and cousin both posses gifts (ive seen more in my cousin). My cousin can do stuff like see spirits ...... but one thing in particular was when he did empathy. The gifts of God go by different names (and there are alot), so what he did is what we call empathy, they call disernment.
This man was standing at the door and my cousin called him in (he was in his 'spiritual' mood and proficiding and stuff) and began telling the man that what hes showing on the outside isnt what hes feeling on the snside and begins describing it to the man.
Today i brought that up around my parents and told them i could do it too and that i had some other gifts (they didnt believe me though).
So i begin asking more questions about gifts, and the answers i get go exactly with psychic abilities.
First is, if God gives you a gift, then its yours to keep no matter if you do good or bad.
If you have a gift, you can help someone to develop their gifts.
You can be born with a gift or discover it later in life.
And anybody can have a gift, even if they dont believe.
The last thing i noticed is that every psychic ability has a 'gift' counterpart, except PK, but they have changed the weather by praying, so that could be PK too.
In my observation, what they consider to be psychic is the stereotypical tarot card using phone psychics/ fortunetellers/palm readers (and technically they are psychomancers).
Lastly, as if heard from the bishop "Its not what you can, but what you do with what you have".
So that basically ends it, ill make another report when i actually show them what i can do.
Sorry to the people here that arent into the religious stuff (I myself dont like talking about it), but there are others here that wonder about this and it was aimed only at them.
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Post by brandonslau on Feb 5, 2008 20:27:45 GMT -5
in the bible it says this stuff is wrong.
any divinaiton or such things like it is not to be done. like in the bible it showed an example when one of the guys met a slave girl with a spirit of fortune telling(clairvoyant) and he prayed in the name of jesus the spirit may be taken away. and her gift was gone.
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Post by GEOvanne on Feb 5, 2008 20:36:22 GMT -5
psionics isnt divination. and plus you said 'spirit', mabey she was possesed, where exactly in it is this story?
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Post by Admiral Refuge on Feb 9, 2008 0:14:37 GMT -5
I beleive there is a refrence to astral projection(sort of) in the bible:
"Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."
Ecclesiastes 12:6
I asked a pastor(actually, I asked three) at my church; I wrote their responses down, but the website I wrote it on is offline right now... The responses weren't what I expected; I'll paste them here once the website is back online again
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Post by The Adfeng on Feb 9, 2008 0:26:24 GMT -5
I don't think that it's against Christian/Jewish beliefs. I don't consider it a type of magick, like many do.
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Post by Admiral Refuge on Feb 9, 2008 12:19:08 GMT -5
Well, I found my comments about this on the other site, I'll paste what I said there:
I asked three pastors about this (if psionics is "against God")...
The first pastor I asked, was my happy-go-lucky youth paster, Paster Gif. He said he didn't see anything wrong with telekineses or psiballs or anything like that; the only psionic skill he didn't like the idea of, was Telepathy(he gave me a bible verse that he said explained why, but I forget what it was(if you want, I can get it from him later)).
The next pastor I asked was Paster Jon who had a Doctrine in Theology and I think a Masters in pastoral training. Anyway, he has no problem at with with any of the psionic skills(He said they all are okay as long as they are not being used for bad reasons(ie, Dream walking to terrorize someone's dreams maybe, or like.. . I don't know, do something bad with a psionic skill). The convo with him lasted roughly 45 minutes, we went into every psionic skill I could think of, and he agreed that if it can be used to honer God, then there's nothing wrong with it(which was well... every skill).
Last pastor I asked, was the paster of my church, Dr. Gary Whetstone(has a Doctrine in I think "religious studies")... Anyway, I only had a chance to ask him about Telekinesis... He said, "Moving random objects with your mind? Well, I don't see a use for it... Personally, I wouldn't do it." That's all I could get from him(because it was right before his next service, and I had to get going)
To my conclusions, there is nothing wrong to practicing psionics and the Christian faith...
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Post by brandonslau on Feb 10, 2008 21:59:42 GMT -5
psionics can be divination if you apply it that way.such as precognition.and back then they spokedifferently maybe the girl'sspirit was developed and had a "fortune telling" gift.
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Post by Fearn on Feb 13, 2008 23:30:14 GMT -5
<devil's advocate>Keep in mind that much of the Bible has suffered mistranslation. It was originally written in Hebrew (for sure), Ancient Greek, Latin, Aramaic (not sure about these last three). When translating something it doesn't always come out with the same meaning.</devil's advocate>
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Post by wintersheart on Feb 14, 2008 14:48:29 GMT -5
brando if i dindint know any better id be thinking your trying to convince us that psi is wrong what with all your talk about this one chapter in the bible about a girl that can do divination the diference between divination and psionics is we dont read palms,chrystal balls or read tea leaves
what we do is master our minds and use the energy EVERY human has, and besides if god dint want us to have the psionic gift then he wouldint of made us capable of using it,simple as that
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Post by stolide on Feb 14, 2008 15:39:54 GMT -5
He doesn't want us to murder yet he made us capable of it. Your logic is flawed (From a Biblical perspective) .
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Post by brandonslau on Feb 14, 2008 15:54:27 GMT -5
brando if i dindint know any better id be thinking your trying to convince us that psi is wrong what with all your talk about this one chapter in the bible about a girl that can do divination the diference between divination and psionics is we dont read palms,chrystal balls or read tea leaves what we do is master our minds and use the energy EVERY human has, and besides if god dint want us to have the psionic gift then he wouldint of made us capable of using it,simple as that Divination is not limited to those things... And no I was only arguing the point geo made but I can If you want me to. ;D |
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Post by ismavatar on Feb 14, 2008 16:31:36 GMT -5
Depending on which particular religious denomination you follow, many of the more conservative ones believe that the Latin translation is equally as valid as the original Hebrew. That is to say, if you were to find a mistranslation, it would be proof against the validity of these denominations.
Furthermore, the bible was originally written in Hebrew, and then translated into Greek. Once Latin came around, the Greek was translated into Latin. And from there, it finally went on into English, or whatever other language you'd prefer.
The New Testament was written in Aramaic. This is important to note because Muslims, who follow the Koran, also follow the old and new testament, but suggest that translations distort the message, because of the intrinsic differences in language persona (for example, French is considered a romantic language - but once you translate something from French to English, it loses that persona). Thus, they believe it is necessary to learn Arabic otherwise you cannot fully understand the Muslim faith.
I would suggest the opposite. Sure, within a biblical sense, I believe that Psi is probably against God's will. So the bible and psi are incompatible - you gotta pick one or the other (or neither) but not both.
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Post by shikha on Feb 16, 2008 0:31:15 GMT -5
In the bible it is written god condemns witchcraft and sorcery because it involves blatant idolatry and paganism with that being said isn’t practicing witchcraft is a sin and I did research about witchcraft and they all say that they do not worship satan but in the bible it says they are worshiping satan so it is so confusing me and I don’t know if I have to still practice witchcraft and I also want to know what is your opinion about this.
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Post by seraph on Feb 16, 2008 11:02:59 GMT -5
He doesn't want us to murder yet he made us capable of it. Your logic is flawed (From a Biblical perspective) . nah i think gods logic is flawed. |
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Post by ismavatar on Feb 16, 2008 18:39:32 GMT -5
Again, my point comes up. The bible says that witches worship Satan. Witches say they don't worship Satan. Two conflicting accounts - this means
a) Believe the bible, witches worship satan, and those witches you asked lied to you
b) Believe the witches, that they don't worship satan, and the bible lied to you
c) Reject both the witches and the bible.
Pick your choice. I don't think I can make it any more clear cut.
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