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Post by Intrigue on Nov 25, 2007 20:26:15 GMT -5
Kill with psi... But where would it stop? Could you live in a world where you abuse and pervert life's very essence, the power of thought, and turn it against others in such a manner? In a black and white world, it might work, but we live in shades of grey.
"Killing criminals, vicious politicians, and hate groups across the world. Imagine being able to stop entire wars with a few psiballs."
When you stop to think of it, America's founding fathers were essentially terrorists-- but because they fought for a genuine cause which they believed in, they became freedom fighters. In their eyes, their cause was justified. And they won. That's the key component there-- they won. History is written by the victors, we hardly know much about the losing side and instead pass them off as fools or tyrants (Which they may or may not be) but we do not consider the situation in depth.
They were criminals, and would've been executed had they lost. Yet, they are hailed as heroes. How many of you, fellow Americans, have considered that possibility? That they were, in the minds of the British, true criminals? I believe in my country, I don't always believe in its decisions, but I love the red white and blue nonetheless. Had a few psiballs taken them out, we would have remained under British rule indefinitely.
And yet, for criminals? There are common enough ways to eliminate them. Why must we turn our very minds to the cause of their destruction? And yet, one must first prove a criminal innocent or guilty until judgement may take place-- the power to eliminate a problem before it begins will corrupt. Eventually, it could replace the very justice system humanity once stood upon.
The innocent, convicted of a crime. A burdened legal system, a vengeful psion. Picture it, my friends, and shudder.
I have no love for politics, yet with the die-hard obsession many take with their precious political parties, all it would take is a small spark to send a psion into a vicious overdrive, eliminating a competitive faction for power. Tell me how that would be fair and just. Democrats assassinating Republicans, and vice-versa. Would it ever end? Considering that a tremendous portion of the population is one or the other, it would cause civil war (in America).
"Why not do something like this? It's the perfect crime."
There is no perfect crime. Only an act which you may or may not get away with. One may do so with a finesse and art, but that does not make it right. The beauty of the mind, body, and soul should never be corrupted in such a way as to perpetrate a 'perfect' crime.
"The weapon of choice remains invisible to most people, and fast but also accurate."
Fast, and accurate it may be on the lives of the innocent, on mothers and fathers, brothers, sisters...
"The question is, why not?"
My question to you is, why?
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jeremy
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Post by jeremy on Nov 26, 2007 2:23:38 GMT -5
I don't know of any reason why I would kill another person other than by accident. I only know so many ways that a person can be killed with psi and I'm not likely to accidentally do any of them except possibly mess up while teleporting and in that case it would be just me getting killed.
The human body appears to be robust because it's well protected by the skin, bones, and outher muscles, but even very slight damage to certain internal parts can be very serious - so I think it wouldn't take unbelievable psionic strength to kill someone - just unbelievable lack of morals.
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Post by tydy on Nov 26, 2007 11:30:03 GMT -5
Intrigue!All interpersonal activity is politic...I think You and anothers have problem with the political parties, government and with the ,,main stream" . O.K. Killing with PSI is reality, but too much and complicated for the autors and organisators.... it's have any better and cleaner way: Lennon,Kennedy, Pim Fortuyn (Netherland) one detached killer, stupid or confused, ill..... one or moore PSI master is too dangerous for the customers.... About the problem of the stupid (ill  ) presidents,etc.: Please read moore books from David C. Korten, Noam Chomsky, Sun Ce (The art of warefare) One or two attack can't make improving!! The system is himself the ground of the problems.... And something historical: on the 2.world war was any PSI master on the front etc... (shambala (black wizards from Tibet) monks under SS troops in Russland, etc... )Freemasons, Trulle company,vrill...... The Sowiet Union and the you.S.A. etc. had/have another experiments for destroing, killing, etc... (H.A.are.P.)
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Post by neopsychic on Nov 26, 2007 13:37:41 GMT -5
Intrigue!All interpersonal activity is politic...I think You and anothers have problem with the political parties, government and with the ,,main stream" . O.K. Killing with PSI is reality, but too much and complicated for the autors and organisators.... it's have any better and cleaner way: Lennon,Kennedy, Pim Fortuyn (Netherland) one detached killer, stupid or confused, ill..... one or moore PSI master is too dangerous for the customers.... About the problem of the stupid (ill ) presidents,etc.: Please read moore books from David C. Korten, Noam Chomsky, Sun Ce (The art of warefare) One or two attack can't make improving!! The system is himself the ground of the problems.... And something historical: on the 2.world war was any PSI master on the front etc... (shambala (black wizards from Tibet) monks under SS troops in Russland, etc... )Freemasons, Trulle company,vrill...... The Sowiet Union and the you.S.A. etc. had/have another experiments for destroing, killing, etc... (H.A.are.P.) What? Use more words with better grammar >.< lol looks like this topic is starting to be pretty big. (Yesssss) Do you honestly have to be corrupt to kill? There's always an exception. A psion training for years on end having to save his family... Just think of the possibilities of that. Who wouldn't kill to save themselves or somebody they love. Intrigue, you say that the people who win make themselves look good and just while the defeated look weak or evil. Removing the people you hate will just perpetrate that idea and might actually make the psion feel like he/she's doing something right. Why kill with psi? A "good" person with extremely strong values might say, "If you had the power to make the world a better place, would you? Or would you make the innocent suffer more? So what if a few innocent people die for crimes they didn't commit, think of all of those who you could save in return." |
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Post by Intrigue on Nov 26, 2007 16:45:47 GMT -5
"Intrigue, you say that the people who win make themselves look good and just while the defeated look weak or evil. Removing the people you hate will just perpetrate that idea and might actually make the psion feel like he/she's doing something right."
That would be catastrophic. Look at the world's genocides. In each case, they felt themselves to be superior enough to wipe out an entire culture for little reason other than they were different.
And tydy, considering I have absolutely no idea what you just said, I would advise you re-write that post. Consider grammar lessons. Or schooling.
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Post by Brilenus on Nov 26, 2007 17:34:37 GMT -5
So you wouldn't mind if someone you loved was killed because they "might have" done something that they would never do? How about if it was your whole family? After all, its only a small number of innocent people dying for the "better" cause.
As it is, innocent people are in jail, and on death row. Don't you think the system should be redone before we try putting power into the hands of the average person?
Again, would it not bother you if someone you love with all your heart were to be killed for something they didn't do with zero chance to defend the fact that they didn't do it? Everyone is loved by someone. Try to understand what you are talking about doing...
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Post by neopsychic on Nov 26, 2007 18:49:56 GMT -5
So you wouldn't mind if someone you loved was killed because they "might have" done something that they would never do? How about if it was your whole family? After all, its only a small number of innocent people dying for the "better" cause. As it is, innocent people are in jail, and on death row. Don't you think the system should be redone before we try putting power into the hands of the average person? Again, would it not bother you if someone you love with all your heart were to be killed for something they didn't do with zero chance to defend the fact that they didn't do it? Everyone is loved by someone. Try to understand what you are talking about doing... That would be a tragedy wouldn't it? But think about how a person like this operates. It's not like they see the person everyday. A murderous psion might read the paper and just kill the person without a second thought. Why? Because it would be the same as pressing a button and doing away with any perceived evil. Why would a person like that care if their family greived? Who would the family complain to? Yeah, that's the point of killing with psi, quickly, quietly, and with very few people to tell you to stop. I realize that some people might say, well why don't you just call senators/congressmen/people of power and tell them to stop? Does anyone actually try that and get it to work? (lol my arguments get crazier and crazier  , I'll get more people to post in no time  ) |
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Post by Brilenus on Nov 26, 2007 19:10:57 GMT -5
But that does not change the point that you are ending the life of someone else. You are taking away someone's child. Possibly a husband/wife. Possibly even a parent.
Add to that the fact that you do not even know for certain if someone is guilty or not...
And if you got the whole country to call the people in power, their would change what they were doing, in one form or another.
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Post by neopsychic on Nov 27, 2007 0:02:32 GMT -5
But that does not change the point that you are ending the life of someone else. You are taking away someone's child. Possibly a husband/wife. Possibly even a parent. Add to that the fact that you do not even know for certain if someone is guilty or not... And if you got the whole country to call the people in power, their would change what they were doing, in one form or another. What does it matter if your take away someone's child? Who cares if somebody loses a husband/wife/parent/uncle/whatever? What if the killer doesn't have that thing in their brain that says: Don't kill people. Because that's the only thing keeping you and everybody else from hurting people when you get mad. You assume that everybody works and or thinks in the same general way you, me and most other people do. But if their ever comes a day in which a cold hearted vengeful psion decides he wants to make this world better by cleaning the criminals/warlords/corruption, then what are you going to do about? What if the person that kills doesn't use logic like you and me? That posses a much bigger problem then whether it's right or wrong to kill a person. |
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Post by Brilenus on Nov 27, 2007 5:25:00 GMT -5
No, I do not assume that everyone is like I am, instead I recognise that very few are. I simply try to get my point across to others. The fact is - everyone is important to someone. The other fact is that mistakes do happen.
I prefer to not see major emotional pain caused upon others, as I know it far too well. If someone you care for is killed in any way, it is a pain that cuts deeply. I am not talking about the person doing the killing, I am talking about innocent people, and other innocent people they care about being killed due to a mistake. It is quite possible with what you are talking about.
As to what I would do to stop someone like that? I have my methods. I will not pretend that I could stop someone alone, but I can weaken someone, divert their will, calm them, and various other methods. I refuse to kill, even if I possessed the strength to do so. In addition, there is always the fact that if it is being done psionicly, a correctly built shield would reflect their will back at them, thus causing them to kill themselves. I cannot make a shield that strong, but in time it should become easy.
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Post by neopsychic on Nov 27, 2007 12:25:03 GMT -5
A attack reflecting shield... brilliant. I honestly never thought of that...
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Post by Brilenus on Nov 27, 2007 20:30:49 GMT -5
Those are one of the three most common and simple shields that exist... A simple shell, a mirror, and a marshmellow.
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Post by neopsychic on Nov 27, 2007 20:34:29 GMT -5
Those are one of the three most common and simple shields that exist... A simple shell, a mirror, and a marshmellow. I way to get around the shield would be to make a psiball elsewhere right? Or just shielding the targets. I forgot about shields, then again I don't use them much. Big thanks for throwing me off topic Brilenus  |
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Post by Brilenus on Nov 27, 2007 20:36:29 GMT -5
I do not understand what you are trying to say. You can make a shield more or less impossible to get into, but still easily able to allow things to pass outward from within. You can create shields at a distance, or up close. They are basicly just defensive constructs. Hopefully this answers whatever you asked.
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psyked
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Post by psyked on Nov 28, 2007 1:25:27 GMT -5
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) presidents,etc.: Please read moore books from David C. Korten, Noam Chomsky, Sun Ce (The art of warefare) One or two attack can't make improving!! The system is himself the ground of the problems....
, I'll get more people to post in no time 
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