Why Psionics Hasn't Hit the Mainstream

[Intrigue]

"wiji(sp?) boards"

Ouiji I think. Pretty sure, not totally though.

[Mr.Experiment]

intrigue said:

Just to play the devil's advocate here:

Even if it is underground, is that necessarily beneficial? If every scientific discovery was secreted deep within the earth's bowels, the leaps in technology that we enjoy today would be nonexistent. As a matter of fact, this board would never have been created if not for the collaboration of individuals who first began to research and devise world-wide networking. Will psionics be passed on alone, never truly changing, rarely with new discoveries-- if an idea is passed on solely be mentor to student, without room to devise and conquer new, territories, then discoveries must be made anew each and every time.

One step forward, two steps back. Your presence here is more than enough to prove that psionics is not necessarily underground. This is, essentially, a fully public source of information for any individual who cares to do so. As far as it goes, psionics is hardly what I would call 'underground.'

Yes, I would still say it is underground. Just the stuff spread "above" ground is very limited.
That is why the moles underground have not interfere.

~Jano

[The Adfeng]

Very good point. If it hit the mainstream, everyone would be wanting help and stuff. I couldn't stand being asked "did i make a psiball?" and "will you scan me?" and stuff like that all the time.

[psidan]

Or back to my point. "Did you check out the new psi hairbrush? It's said to bring you extreme beauty!"

[neopsychic]

iwannabesedated said:

Psionics is a broad term. What Intrigue said is right, most people doubt its legitimacy. The thing I don't understand is why more people who practice Psi haven't came out to the public. Doing stuff like Magneto does(lifting cars up with your mind) would be a very long shot at best and that's with decades of practice.

Try to go public while being able to lift cars and you will divide the country and the world into groups of people.

One group will say that you are going against god's will and are devil,witch, heretic, etc., etc.

Some will just plain say its fake.

Some will take it too far and start making fluff. (Way to easy for this to happen as we already have seen.)

Some will advocate for it saying that it has possibilities as in economic or scientific.

Others won't give a crap.

I have a large feeling that the first 3 groups will be the majority too. It sucks but that is probably the odds of it

[Locke]

People would think its either total bull or the religious people would freak say its against gods will. WE all know there are extremists out there the last thing we need is a religous nut case doing what the Inqusition did and killed off scientists and ahut them up but to psions. Sad thing is i know people who if they knew i did psi would think i'm a demon or something like that and want to get an exorsicm. *Sry my spelling sucks*

[neopsychic]

locke900 said:

People would think its either total bull or the religious people would freak say its against gods will. WE all know there are extremists out there the last thing we need is a religous nut case doing what the Inqusition did and killed off scientists and ahut them up but to psions. Sad thing is i know people who if they knew i did psi would think i'm a demon or something like that and want to get an exorsicm. *Sry my spelling sucks*

Kind of off topic here but, what's with exorcisms? Do they really work? It's pretty easy to fake, especially if you hear about the lives of the people that get them.

[Mr.Experiment]

locke900 said:

People would think its either total bull or the religious people would freak say its against gods will. WE all know there are extremists out there the last thing we need is a religous nut case doing what the Inqusition did and killed off scientists and ahut them up but to psions. Sad thing is i know people who if they knew i did psi would think i'm a demon or something like that and want to get an exorsicm. *Sry my spelling sucks*

Lol, yea bieng called a Demon is never a good thing.
Especially in public -.-, those are hectic days.

~Jano

[psidan]

And you thought rocks, pitchforks, and flaming ?axes? were bad.. Check out what they have now.

Scene:
A massive group of Mennonites numbering in the thousands come stampeding over to a house, inhabited by Bob, a psion with a couple of years of experience. They raise their machine guns, hand pistols, and generally anything they can find. The children even bother to take out water pistols. As they break down the door and start charging, Bob calls for his other psion friends or those whom support it. No one comes however for fear of being killed by the mob. A shot echoes throughout the insignificant country house and Bob falls to the floor thinking how could this ever happen to him, a psion just trying to live his own, peaceful life. Bob is no more.

Yeah.. That might be a problem.

EDIT:
It's funny how Mennonites, who believe violence is horribly and utterly wrong, come so quick to do such horrible a thing even if it seems right to them.

[neopsychic]

dangpp: yeah, psion in a Mennoite community... probably not going to happen. But good example though. So many people would do something like that. People are greatly afraid of change, even more so if it's something that is incomprehensible to the general public. Kinda like saying the world isn't flat

[red29216]

Note -
I'm way too impatient to actually proof read this, so sorry for any bad grammar or rough statements or transitions.

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I believe the real reason that it hasn't hit the mainstream yet is because it's one of those things that is just too hard to believe. On the rare chance anyone comes across a psi site without intending too, they begin to read and are told flat out they have special powers that they were brought up to believe is fake. In addition, the introduction very often lacks any kind of proof at all.

Take this site for example - www.freewebs.com/psions/ Using Yahoo! search I typed in the phrase "learn psionics", and this was the first search result. Opening up the page, the first thing I see is "Learn how to awaken your psychic powers." I don't know about you, but 5 years ago when I didn't know anything about the psionic community, seeing that statement would cause me to instantly click the 'back' button on my browser.

Statements like just don't work. The message needs to go down to the level of an average person. Something following the format of "Psi Powers are observed phenomenons that humans can learn to control. There are varying theory's behind how they work, and there has yet to be any substantial evidence on any of those theory's. There are many different methods of learning and blah blah blah etc."

People need proof of things. Most people have a hard time of just seeing and excepting. Hell, the only thing I can really say I fully believe is the psi ball, because I've felt and experience it, and that is proof enough for me. But before I felt it, (and I felt it by accident, but immediately knew something was there) I did not believe it was real. People need more than just a claim by someone who owns a website that this stuff is real - they need scientific proof, or at least an attempt at it or attempts at explaining it, or they need to experience it. While Psi sites can help a person with the third, it can not provide it for the person, and the sites must then focus less on methods of learning, and instead on how it works, what makes it work. More people will come that way.

Another big detraction (not sure if that's a real word - I just kinda made it up) people find about the community, or at least one major one for me, was all the fluff that one can find all over community forums. In fact, it's not even the fluff that's a big deal - all incorrect theory's could be considered fluff, but experimented fluff leads to new, correct ideas. I'd even use some of John Dalton's wrong ideas as examples, but I forget them and fortunately do not need to remember them again until my mid terms. (Although one had something to do with gold foil...) The main point is fluff with explanations, fluff with not just methods of creations, but methods of testing. Many of the posts I find here regarding programming for example, have instructions on how to make the construct, but not a single ounce of evidence that it works. That and the fact that the instructions usually comprise of "1. Think, 2. Think this way, 3. Imagine this, 4. Wa la here is your construct" makes it extremely difficult to believe. (Not trying to say constructs are fake, although I haven't yet personally accepted that idea, or am I trying to say that the instructions are bad, just that the way the instructions have to be portrays the thing in a bad light - that it is not possible).

For programming, it's great that people create their own constructs and provide instructions on how to make them. But provide reasons why doing step 1 makes the outcome different this way, or how step 6 makes the construct ready to add on step 7.

Now, I'm no super psion. All I have ever done is make a psi ball, nothing more, not even manipulation of a psi ball. But I don't need to know very much about psi to list reasons why it isn't getting big in the mainstream community - I know what troubles I have come across, and the only reason I haven't quit completely (although I can't say I've tried very hard) is that I have great interest in these kinds of things, rooting from my background interest in Eastern Martial Arts. Most people would love to be able to develop these psionic skills, but don't want to spend time trying to do something they are not even sure they can accomplish, because they are not sure if it is real. My own interests that led me into researching Psi kept me passed that, but the majority or people do not share the same interests as me, and are subject to deal with the issues I've described by just not caring, not trying, and certainly not taking time to learn.

[neopsychic]

Actually red, when you say that there isn't much proof for believing in psi besides the bits a pieces here and there you got me thinking a bit. Most religions ask you to believe with out questioning, but psi wants the exact opposite: It causes you to question what you believe. In a sense it's backwards compared to religion.

In comparison with religion, psi is just as good or better at providing proof for its thought process. It has an almost formal logical thinking process kind of like computers. If x then why. If I draw psi in one area then it I should feel something odd there. As for religion (and most other things) it is quite different, If x then why, unless b or c then go to x if not loop again and... Yeah you get my point, more complicated and therefor harder to prove.

I think the main reason people get turned off by psionic sites is their page layout, check out psiworld's. It's black with electricity. Look at psionics online, and the art of psionics. Crazy colors, designs, and site names. My site/blog is a lot different, which by the way has been changed quite a bit ;D. (Please come and see!) On my site, named: Center-Point Breakthough, with it's plain background and text doesn't cause people to jump to conclusions. If psions would alter little things like that and pay attention to welcoming sentences then I think that most sites would gather more people.

[spilledchemicals]

Psionics hasn't hit mainstream culture because most people don't want it to, and many aren't able to accept it at all. As information about psi disseminates throughout the web, more people will hear about it and be more willing to accept it.

The best time for psi to hit the mainstream is when most of the anti-energy work extremists die off, with the children of their children seeing the flaws in their thinking, and being more open to the idea of psi. So, the best time is still decades off.

Unfortunately, I think someone with more power than brains will force psi into public view, and as Dangpp has said many times over, there will be fluff products everywhere. The common sentiment on this thread will be realized, with divisions between people forming, and a new age of psion hunts, similar to cold war era communist hunts, or similar to the public executions of witches during the dark ages.

So, I think it's good that psi hasn't hit mainstream, at least, not yet.

The wheel will keep on turning, the great will be toppled, and the meek shall inherit the earth.

[nirimdar]

Guys guys guys.

Isn't psionics and metaphysics about learning more about one's self, about life, about spirituality, about philosophy, about reality etc.?

Simply put, people are easier to control when they're not, as I like to call it, thinking internally. Because isn't that what metaphysics allows us to do? Asses our psychology, asses our beliefs and amongst other things allow us to broaden our minds and horizons, whereas currently people are more concerned with materialism, superficiality and adhering to all other 'sheeple' characteristics, all of which allow the cogs of control to run smoothly. Create insecurities within people and watch how they do your bidding as you appear to offer them the perfect solution: a slim fast/anti-aging/whatever product.
And whilst you're plastering on your next layer of chemicals or buying your next pair of nike trainers there are bigger and greatly important things occurring right underneath your orange fake-tanned nose, which concerns you, you, who are not concerned about it.

Let's just take a moment to review what some metaphysical abilities do for us without going too much into detail:

Empathy - it enables us to be aware of another person's suffering, it enables us to be compassionate, it enables us to 'sense' what type of character a person is etc.

Telepathy - enables us to understand intent, enables us to understand motive, enables us to sense the will of a person, enables us to understand what a person is thinking etc.

Astral Projection - enables us to explore, enables us to learn through unconventional methods, enables us to witness things that are out of the norm etc.

Healing - enables us to practice compassion, enables us to practice love, enables us to positively influence another who has come to seek our help.

Precognition - enables us to practice intuition, which in turn can connect us to dear ones or allow us to know when a situation is bad etc.


Now, these things are hardly useful tools, when wielded by the public, to the super powers that operate your day to day lives, and who'd prefer it if you concentrated more on hating the next Muslim or Iraqi or Jew or Rwandan or generally the next installed threat that binds you to your television set, that binds you to your fear so that you cannot break free of the plaster cast, rather than focusing your concentration on healing somebody, or sending someone some love because they were feeling down.

Of course metaphysics hasn't hit the mainstream because if it did then people would seek to find the truth.

And fluff?
People would eventually move past it. They would experiment, learn, and grow. Once things got rolling less people would be fluff inclined and as metaphysics became established on such a large scale I'm presuming a new, serious and humble mindset would out grow the old dragon ball z-esque one.
And viola, you have yourself metaphysical art.


Or, in short if that was all a bit long winded, it hasn't hit the mainstream because we've been programmed into not accepting it.

[The Adfeng]

But, if this does hit the mainstream, everyone will be trying to sell things that "Naturally enhance your psychic abilities!" Well, that's just BS. The only thing that can enhance them is practice. I don't agree with half the products out there saying to "help your problems". There's cancer cures out there that almost cost nothing, but the government won't use them because they'd lose their money. Psionics would just be a benefit to them, because they would lie and deceive most of the population into thinking that if they take this pill, or drink this drink, it will make them able to use their skills better.

Now, the fluff comes in. People will start to say that they levitated cars, can slam doors faster than you can close them yourselves, cook popcorn, and stuff like that. I know that almost all of them are impossible to newbies. Also, the government will be trying to put mental blocks on us like, "You can't hurt someone with psionics, it won't do anything cause it won't reach them." So, I hope that in time, everyone eventually finds a site like this, learns about it a little, believes it some, then that's when we get the opportunity to tell everyone about it, and show them that it's not bad, not against religions, or anything. We can show them what we can do with it. Probably almost all medical physicians will think of it as a "scientific breakthrough" that we have been practicing years of, underground.