Psionics is a sin

[daevl]

Sorry

[Apollo]

If you are given the ability to use such an ability then why is it considered a sin, and not a gift....what if your god wished you to have power, yet you deny your power cause you believe it is evil....which in turn would mean...you think your god is evil...which is in turn a sin itself...

God gave us arms, legs, and knowledge. Why not use them to kill? Killing is a sin, written by the 10 commandments. He has given us the ability to kill, but it IS a sin. Your point, disproven.

Anyway. I have done lots of research and No, Psionics is not a sin.

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People think what we are doing is "evil", "against god's will", "fake", they take those and teach their children that things we do are wrong/impossible. When you have something implanted in you from that young of an age, you believe it and it takes years and years to get an idea like that out of their head. Most people wont think twice about it, they think its magic tricks. Soon, generations of children wont have places like veritas to seek help, it will just get weaker and less noticed untill it disappears.

Havik, that is not an arguement. That is a conclusion from your "research". That serves no part toward your goal of convincing me that psionics is not a sin.

I am christian and don't consider it a sin.

Read my PS in the first post

The term evil is a perspective view.

While this is the smartest post I have seen so far, I am going off the term "sin" as being told is bad in the Bible or such documents.

What it all comes down to, whether or not your religious or not, is what you use your ability's for. If you use psi blasting to hurt people, then yea, thats a sin. (i am religious.... but i am weak in my relation with god right now) But if you use it to say, "hey, that person is hearting inside.... may be i should talk to them" then its not.

Another smart post. However, where do you draw the line? God gave us all the power to have free will. When you infringe on that free will, is it a sin (in your sense)? Therefore, any manipulation is a sin according to your point. That argues FOR me.

Sin is something that is wrong to do against God, and I don't think this is.

Thinking is not an arguement. Back up your claims with evidence or logical considering.

I kinda see psionics as a good thing. I mean, we all come together to hone our skills to get better at something that's cool.

Some guys come together to get a better high off pot. These guys think pot is cool. They form the same arguement. Need I say more?



I have done research in the Bible, Biblical documents, and just common sense. It is completely possible for one of you to argue, with evidence, that it is not a sin.

I do not agree with what I am saying in my posts. As most of you know, I have been in psionics 6 years and have performed PK as well as some of you only dream of. I am simply preparing your argueing skills to combat those of skeptics. So give a fight to me!


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Daevl: Nice input.

[The Adfeng]

That's what I see this as. It is an ability given to us when we were created, so I think we should be able to use it. I would ONLY consider it sin if we were to use it for evil purposes.

[daevl]

Sorry

[The Adfeng]

daevl said:

apollo said:

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Daevl: Nice input.

Why am I the only one not to get a quote? I demand that you quote me.

Edit: On a side note, I just smote you by accident. Sorry.

Don't ask to be quoted, for you may not like it. And there is no, "Accidental Smiting" Either you "accidently*wink*" clicked it, or you clicked it and tried to lie about it. Your mouse shouldn't be over there anyway. ANYWAY, I don't think psionics is a sin, and I think there should be able to have polls on this board, because it would be a good way to talk and find out everyone's opinion.

[Apollo]

Ok. I have tried to put this in a nice way. I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK. The whole point of this thread is to ARGUE about it and SUPPORT your claims. I know, after your first post, that you dont think it is. Thats great. Not what Im lookin for though.

[JediKaren]

Ok well just a heads up, I've never gone to church, been taught about God, or read the bible. What little I know, I've picked up through a bit of reading, chatter, and world's religion class. So, I can't quote anything, but here's my argument on why psionics is not a sin. When I talk about sin, I'm using it in the sense that God, the entity that Christians worship, is against whatever a person is doing or believing.

Let's go on the idea that god created us and lets say god first created cavemen and the rest of history since Egypt happened the way we were taught in school. Based on that, there are countless accounts of people doing miracles, and by Christianity, through the hand of God. Look Jesus. The way I view Jesus is that he is a man, but I am also being reminded that Christians consider Jesus to the reincarnation of God. Let me first take my outlook on Jesus being just a man, being helped by god. Jesus, I understand could heal. That sounds like a psion to me. Another thing that Jesus did was predict his death. It's a bit unclear if God told him or not of his death, but the main point is he foresaw the future. Jesus was able to walk on water. That vaguely sounds like levitation to me, which is self inflicted telekinesis. He was also able to calm a storm. I've heard, thought not entirely sure if I believe, the accounts of people controlling weather around them. Yep, so god either helped or created through the process of birth psions. Also, psions claim that almost all people can feel psi and many unconsciously use psi. If god created people, he created people from the very start the ability to feel and use psi. In short bluntness: he created psions. If being into psi is so bad, then why did god create us?

Now, let's remember that Christians see Jesus as God. If God takes on the mere form of a human and is able to do such things as heal, then wouldn't it seem that God approves of men and women to be able to use psi.

Another example is not in the bible, but one I learned in European Women's History class. Her name is Hildgard Von Bingen. From a very early age she started having visions and later after living in a convent for most of her life heard from the voice of god to start writing her visions down. Let's look at these visions are the sort of visions some psions have. It looks like these people were what we psions call: psions.

Second off because I don't know my bible and I am aware there are parts that can be interrupted as saying psi is a sin, may I ask who wrote this part? Did they heard directly from the voice of God that psi is a sin? So far, from what I know, I haven't heard of such a thing, but I welcome people to show me proof. To me, the bible is a much of what people think God meant, or what Christianity should be, with not much of what God exactly said. So with that said, I don't see proof of psions being of sin.

Third off, I'm sort of under the impression that Christians are to do charitable work, like helping the poor, having good manners, being a good neighbor, turn the other cheek. I know that not all psions use their abilities for good, I do know that I teach and encourage you all to only use your abilities to help others and to be careful about how you help. I believe that would hold under the ideas of Christianity and I can not see God disapproving of this, but this is my belief.

Finally, has anyone considered the idea that if God created us from the beginning and can play a part in our lives at any time, he may very well have played a part in your psionic development? Perhaps he wanted you to find my site, to learn to make a psi ball, and to help others with your new found abilities. Perhaps in twenty years someone will hear from the voice of God that he does support psi and that he wants us to learn about it and this is all in his ultimate plan. Well, it's just a thought.

Well Apollo I hope you liked this considering how much I don't know about this subject.

[T_Hornberger]

Some of us consider Psi a Gift...so if a natural gift is a sin, then are these sins

Being a natural at playing an instrument
Being the smartest kid in your math class
Getting All A's All of your life
Being the most accurate shot with a rifle out of your friends

Are these things sins, I sure don't think so. I also think though, that "bad" is what you interpret it as. If you interpret using a natural gift as a sin, then yes psi is a sin, but if doing stuff that anybody could do if they learned how to do it right is ok, then it's not a sin.

[Fearn]

jj said:

I'm a Christian, and I'm very religeous. I do this, and in my way of seeing, it isn't a sin. Sin is something that is wrong to do against God, and I don't think this is. Alchemy, yes, is a sin, because it is altering one of God's Creations. Manipulating is a different thing. Psi is something that everyone has anyway, it's not like we can just take it out and live without it. It is a gift, like empathy. But, let's not get religeous. I don't think that's allowed. I do not consider it a sin.

If this was a sin, i wouldn't be here, would have learned what i know today, and would probably doing something bad.

I know very a bit about Christianity but am not Christian.

I just wanted to ask you Cu, is chemistry a sin? It is altering God's creations. Is corrective surgery a sin? What about medications for disorders, they are altering the disorder which is one of God's creations, no?

If all of God's creations are holy, then Psionics would be too, as it is made by God...I assume at least.

[daevl]

Sorry

[Cronus]

What would make it a sin? Does it say in any holy book that manipulating energy is a sin?

[Mr.Experiment]

daevl said:

I agree with Mr.Experiment -though it feels so wrong-,

Lol, It feels wrong to agree with me?

Hm, thats somthing to think about xD

Though I dont always agree with myself.
~Jano

[Fearn]

flamingwind said:

What would make it a sin? Does it say in any holy book that manipulating energy is a sin?

Well that is a problem for Christianity I think. The Bible is so easy to misunderstand, or mistranslate. If you work hard enough you can make a passage mean something totally different.

I'm sure that if you really wanted to you could find a passage that means that energy manipulation is a sin. I know being a psychic is a sin, but then again I believe that they mean a tarot reader, or a medium. There are passages about not being aloud to be a telepath, and combat probably breaks the be unto your neighbour as you would want them to be to you.

[daevl]

Sorry

[Fearn]

daevl said:

Iluveire, you say it's a problem but many branches of Christianity see the bible as a tool meant for personal interpretation. A lot of people meditate on certain passages and try to find a meaning relevant to themselves or some kind of deeper meaning possibly between the lines that people miss by taking everything literally.

If you do view the bible in this way then there really is no arguement as to whether psionics or, indeed, anything else is a sin that you can put forth to anyone other than your own consciousness because it is all personal choice.

Taking the bible word for word as all out fact, however is quite a dangerous thing to do as it has had thousands of years to get lost in translation and tainted by various monarchies and churches. Something which a lot of people -especially Catholics- overlook.

I meant it was a problem because you can't have a conversation and say, that psionics is a sin, because then there could be twenty people with a totally different understanding of the same passage.

This is why it is hard to hold an argument over the bible. There are se many translations, mistranslations, and meanings to every passage, that it gives me a horrible headache.