Psionics is a sin

[Darin Rosewood]

The OP doesn't think psionics is a sin. He's just using it as a debate topic. And as I said, some of us still have access to the older Hebrew editions of the Bible and can tell you that there are some severe mistranslations.

[GEOvanne]

according to the bible, if you sin, you go to hell. and no sin is worst than anyother, they all have the same consequence. so instead of worrying if youll go to hell doing psionics, you should work on the other parts of your life too.

and nothing is wrong with having the ability, its what you do with it

[leethal]

pff, I find it very mean. When i first learned it, i thought :"So if i do wrong, i'm going to hell? Well, my mother asked me to pick up the dry clothes, and i didn't do it. So i'm going to hell. But who isn't?"

I'm close to thinking that if it is true (christianity/god), hell may be the earth we walk upon right now, cause lets face it, it's no picnic here.

[rasputin]

I think if you use it for harming people or stuff its a sin.
So is your body and tongue if you use it to hurt and harm people.
Its not something but its use that makes it a sin or virtue.
In psionics, with energy manipulation healing can be accelerated.

Psionics are like a blade. you can use it to kill or to operate and save a life.

Each coin has two faces. At least.

[neopsychic]

loceimicamornie said:

I will quote a friend of mine "for lack of a better word what we do is magic". I will not reveal who said this for personal protection and PLEASE do not flam this saying. This is some one that is not involved in this discussion, they can not defend them selves.

BUT, lets say that is what we do, and we actually perform magic in a sense. Then bible does say, in an easily translated verse. Here are the ones that i have found:

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." Revelations 21:8

and

Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. Revelations 22:15

and the link to the hole chapter (Revelations 21) -> bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Revelation+21&version=31
and the link to the hole chapter (Revelations 22)-> bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Revelation+22&version=31

Now, this is coming from the stand point that what we do is magic. In this case it is very clear that it is not right, meaning it is evil, to perform these feet's (right word?). Please note that i have not made up my decision if what we do is indeed magic. Though i will be emailing to a pastor from a church about this. I NEED to know if this practice is ok (this is for my own thoughts/purposes, i am not saying that what i find out applies you.)

I ask you not flam me or put me down. I am only providing the things that you all have asked for. though i need you to take a thought into who we are put in terms with in these phrases (yes, if what we do is magic) And note that we are the last ones in the phrase meaning that it is worse than murder. <- major point!!! Use caution when talking on this, it boarders being out ruled by the admins. And if it is please send me a note and i will correct this statement, i will take no affence.

one last thing, once again i am standing neutral on this. I have not put to much of my own religuse thoughts into this matter, and i am still undecided if this is indeed a sin.

By this understand a sin is relative to the society. In america it is a sin, in other cultures it might be something of worth. Some places in Africa place a lot of importance on healers, there's bound to be a psion there somewhere that is revered. Same goes to Buddhist monks especially in Burma/Myanmar. A monk might be a little different in that case, because the monks are revered for their faith.

[The Adfeng]

We are not changing God's creation. So, that's not a sin. Psionics was here way before we discovered it, and why not use it? It doesn't say in the bible, "Do not attempt or use Psionics." It is definitaly not magic.

[xpwarrior3]

So has magic(k). Its existed before people discovered it.

jj said:

It is definitaly not magic.

If you look at it deeply, you'll notice a relationship between the two. Magic by definition is anything you do to through supernatural means cause intentional change.

Wikipedia says this: Magic and sorcery are the influencing of events, objects, people and physical phenomena by mystical, paranormal or supernatural means

So psionics can definitely be looked at as a form of magic. Not once did the Bible say do not practice magic. It said do not practice witchcraft or sorcery. Do not be a divinator or necromancer... etc

[fehoru]

apollo said:

Psionics is a sin.


Prove me wrong





PS: For those who don't know, I have a thread like this in Psi-Links forums that I am arguing that it IS a sin. This thread will not actually represent my beliefs, but yall must learn to argue better.

(in order to live you must eat in order to eat you must kill, killing is a sin.)
(suicide is a sin, to have someone else kill you is a sin,)
(people assosiate sex with love, sex without marriage is a sin.)
(because everyone alive is a sinner, and to love a sinner is a sin)

Life is a sin death is a sin love is a sin.
I don't care.

sin is meaningless.

what is important, truly important, is how and who I am, how I treat others and the world at large. I believe I am doing just fine for myself.

Everyone I've met who covets the word sin and places meaning and importance on it seems to act like a deamon, and makes petty excuses to try to make it seem better, it was only a small witch hunt and only witches were killed, it was only a small inquisition and only heretics died...

Tell me the truth, is "sin" so important and meaningful?
I mean... just because god says it's bad does that mean it should never be done?

I think I'll use my own judgment.
After all my judgement was given to me by god was it not?

[Darin Rosewood]

xpwarrior3 said:

So has magic(k). Its existed before people discovered it.

jj said:

It is definitaly not magic.

If you look at it deeply, you'll notice a relationship between the two. Magic by definition is anything you do to through supernatural means cause intentional change.

Wikipedia says this: Magic and sorcery are the influencing of events, objects, people and physical phenomena by mystical, paranormal or supernatural means

So psionics can definitely be looked at as a form of magic. Not once did the Bible say do not practice magic. It said do not practice witchcraft or sorcery. Do not be a divinator or necromancer... etc

And as I said, even those were mistranslations from the original Hebrew. And Fehora, leave your religious beliefs out of the debate. Just 'cause you feel that way doesn't mean everyone else does, and this isn't the right place to start a religious flame war.

[Zangetsu]

First of all psionics isn't a sin to me, I'm like Ezekiel and follow my own path. And second, Alchemy isn't a sin it is midevil chemistry nothing more or less. Unless you consider chemistry a sin.

[zedd]

People try to be open to everyone's point of view and don't dismiss them just because you don't like what they are saying.

[fehoru]

darin said:

And Fehora, leave your religious beliefs out of the debate. Just 'cause you feel that way doesn't mean everyone else does, and this isn't the right place to start a religious flame war.

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sin == act against god...
a debate about sin is a debate about religion.
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and one post isn't a flame war... unless I've got multiple personality disorder... (do I? )

[kitsune909]

My friend thinks psionics isn't a sin but doing biokinesis is. I say that any type of psi or kinesis is not a sin but the understanding of the world and universe, because most people cant do it. example:
My other friends say its fake and they don't believe in it. then i prove it to them, and they want to do it. I show them and they try. It doesn't work so they say they will believe when they can do it.

[Darin Rosewood]

Yes, we're talking about sin, and therefore religion. But saying "darn your God" has nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you don't want me to call you on your logical fallacies, don't make such an obvious Red Herring.

[fehoru]

I was saying dogma is not the answer.
Dogma is bad, use your own head and heart.
Sin is something discussed more or less in dogma religions, and they always seem to find some excuse for their own sins.

*re-reads own post**
I guess I got a little hot, I do that sometimes.